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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jomanda1990] * 1
    #27498322 - 10/09/21 08:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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My last trip with Nats was not particularly good tbh. 2.8 g dry at a remote forest/beach with two friends. I honestly felt what might be like being a dementia patient. Very fragmented and incomplete recall of my life, confusion, and a bit of persistent anxiety about the whole thing. I wouldn't call it a bad trip because I didn't panic at all and had a really pleasant afterglow, but it was definitely not just fun and games. I think a first-timer might have been scared shitless lol

I do agree that they feel substantially different from cubes, though it's hard for me to pinpoint or describe what makes them special. So far they've produced less 'insightful' trips than cubes, but that might just have to do with where I am in life right now. Perhaps I should start tripping a bit less until I feel like I'm actually learning stuff from consuming these shrooms. :tongue:

Growing these guys is definitely fun tho and the extremely aggressive behavior of the myc might be much better for new growers.




I've had two unpleasant experiences with nats. One left me crying so hard in my laundry room that I ran out of breath but it was beautiful on the other side. The other time I mixed in tampanesis and had such a bad time that I haven't tripped since. They'll fuck you up for sure, but the odds are better in your favor than cubes.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jomanda1990] * 1
    #27498324 - 10/09/21 08:27 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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My last trip with Nats was not particularly good tbh. 2.8 g dry at a remote forest/beach with two friends. I honestly felt what might be like being a dementia patient....




I changed
"No bad trips"
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"Fewer bad trips."

Again, half joking with the list. But only half.

I wonder why this shroom seems different to people. If it's not just suggestion....Hey, even man of science Albert Hoffman was susceptible, he said in his book LSD My Problem Child that Psilocybe mexicana gave him Mayan or Aztec visions.

But a lot of people are reporting a different trip from cubes with P-Nat....even back when people thought they were a variety of cubes.

I wonder if it has an additional active than the 3 main ones in cubes. Or maybe has more of the one of the other actives...a possible entourage effect.
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"Currently, scientists don’t understand (and are not studying) how the compounds in magic mushrooms interact with each other and with serotonin receptors in the brain, particularly 5-HT2A. It’s possible that allosteric modulation plays a role in the overall entourage effect.

Aeruginascin seems to modify the pharmacological action of psilocybin to give an always euphoric mood during the ingestion of mushrooms"


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #27498349 - 10/09/21 08:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

There’s definitely different stuff happening.


I was really amazed how different the trip from each species is after just thinking “it’s all psilocybin”.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #27498435 - 10/09/21 10:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

OK, updated, better, clearer list.
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Psilocybe natalensis:
--Are stronger than most cubes, on average.
--Grow with same teks and subs as cubes.
--Grow fast.
--Have super aggressive, unstoppable mycelium that uses contam as food.
--Sometimes overlay, but you can pick that off and make it into active tea.
--Fewer bad trips than cubes.
--Different trip than cubes, some folks like it more. Maybe "friendlier" trip is a better term.
--Look amazing.

It looks kind of like a cube, but it's a separate species.

DNA analysis puts it closer to cubes than any other sequenced shroom (per Alan Rockefeller).


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
    #27498848 - 10/09/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

10 day old P-Nat.
Gonna send these as LI to 7 quarts of wild bird seed tonight.


Sorry for the double post but I'm excited.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27498885 - 10/09/21 07:30 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

nektar61 said:
I predict here and now that in 3 years people are going to be saying "You still grow Cubes? Shit man....You probably use syringes to knock grain and do PF tek too, you caveman!"




Hold your horses cowboy. There are over 200 species of active fungi out there. Don't start acting like all the people out there who think that cubes are THE Magic mushroom. Like cubes, nats are just one of them. And they're definetly not the strongest or the nicest of them all.

PS : There's nothing wrong with PF Tek or MSS. They're just tools.




I agree with you. What is your personal top 3 actives?

I'm certainly on the prowl for some of these P-nats spores as the kids are calling them.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: sandman420]
    #27498889 - 10/09/21 07:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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...P-nats spores as the kids are calling them.




I think the youngins say
P-Nat
not
P-Nats.

Now if I can just get people calling plate pins plins, my work here will be done.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: sandman420] * 3
    #27499029 - 10/09/21 11:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Pan cyan Wild Coast, Semperviva, pan bisporus. So far.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: sandman420] * 1
    #27499035 - 10/10/21 12:01 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

nosf3r4tu said:
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nektar61 said:
I predict here and now that in 3 years people are going to be saying "You still grow Cubes? Shit man....You probably use syringes to knock grain and do PF tek too, you caveman!"




Hold your horses cowboy. There are over 200 species of active fungi out there. Don't start acting like all the people out there who think that cubes are THE Magic mushroom. Like cubes, nats are just one of them. And they're definetly not the strongest or the nicest of them all.

PS : There's nothing wrong with PF Tek or MSS. They're just tools.




I agree with you. What is your personal top 3 actives?

I'm certainly on the prowl for some of these P-nats spores as the kids are calling them.




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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27499058 - 10/10/21 01:47 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Hi Guys

This is still my first batch of mushrooms I've ever tried to grow :smile:

The website made it sound much easier than it actually is. I got a pftek kit before I knew any better and it hasn't been going great, going on 2 and a half months now and still no fruits. When the cake was almost finished colonizing it look like there was some green mold so I started to freak out and birthed the cake and cut off what looked like green in the mycelium.

Parts of the mycelium turned blue afterwards but went away after I kept the cake over night in water. Almost feels like the mycelium blobs started growing super quick as soon as I put it in the fruiting chamber. I want it to start producing fruits so badly. Some water droplets got onto it and it doesn't like it.

Weird thing I googled but couldn't find an answer. It looked like a few water droplets on the cake turned black so I took a qtip to try to get it off and the color of the water on the qtip was blue.

Anything you guys can recommend me to get it to fruit, or should I just leave it still fanning and misting daily and see what happens?



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Tegridy]
    #27499257 - 10/10/21 07:38 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Is that natalensis?


I’m not a big fan of cakes. Imo shoeboxes are way easier to start out with.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27499262 - 10/10/21 07:49 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Is that natalensis?





Yeah it's Natalensis. When I bought the cakes I didn't know any better, it's like they couldn't grow properly in the container with those big blobs they make.

Planning my next grow with grain spawn and a shoebox.

Edit: Anyone ever seen blue water droplets kind of coming from the mycelium, the droplets I removed with the qtip left a little hole in the mycelium and it is filling up with blue water again?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Tegridy]
    #27499436 - 10/10/21 10:54 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Ok that’s pretty normal for natalensis then.


I’ve had some overlay covered in drops ranging from yellow to brown to blue/green. I can’t tell if it’s from bacteria but I think so.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27500418 - 10/11/21 06:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I’ve had some overlay covered in drops ranging from yellow to brown to blue/green. I can’t tell if it’s from bacteria but I think so.




This morning there were many more spots with the blue water, it looks like the shade of blue a mushrooms bruises but it could very likely be bacteria. Will try to get some good pics tonight.

Edit: It's difficult to get a good shot, but I've got a bad feeling about these water droplets.



Edit 2: Should I dunk the cake in water again overnight since most of those blobs weren't there when I birthed it, could it have used up most of the water in the cake to make those blobs?


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    #27501471 - 10/12/21 12:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Someone sent me a Psilocybe natalensis ITS sequence a few months back, so I had a pretty good idea what P. natalensis was - but it wasn't my sequence so I didn't want to share it.  This week I made a Psilocybe natalensis sequence in my lab, which matches the other P. natalensis sequence I have.  I've also uploaded it to Genbank, the first sequence of this species there.

The strain is Natal Super Strength.

Photos of the collection:  https://mushroomobserver.org/472561

Here is a tree I made which includes P. natalensis and related species, with P. allenii as an outgroup.



The Psilocybe cf. cubensis sequence is interesting - it's quite close to cubensis, and has some noise, but I don't think it's just a bad read of cubensis because it has some of the same nucleotide substitutions that Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata has.  Gaston Guzman collected it in Nepal in October of 2001.  Without studying the collection (it's in XAL) I can't tell if it's a new species or if it's something which hasn't been sequenced yet like Psilocybe pseudoaztecorum.

Other things you can see in this tree are that Penis Envy has the same ITS sequence as regular cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata from the east coast is the same as it is on the west coast and Psilocybe thaiaerugineomaculans is the same as Psilocybe thaiduplicatocystidiata.

In case you'd like to experiment with making phylogenetic trees or analyze the natalensis sequence yourself, here's the FASTA file:  http://images.mushroomobserver.org/natalensis.fas


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #27501476 - 10/12/21 12:26 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you Alan, hope you're doing well.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa] * 1
    #27501481 - 10/12/21 12:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Thanks for your hard work Alan! This is awesome.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27501485 - 10/12/21 12:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Very cool, Alan!
Thank you.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
    #27501556 - 10/12/21 02:46 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Just a second here , Alan, are you saying natal super strength and Natalensis are the same?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27501597 - 10/12/21 05:03 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Did you see any difference between them so far? I haven't...


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