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Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar * 1
    #27488870 - 10/01/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Which is more similar and why?

Communism and Socialism

Or

Judaism and Christianity




My opinion is that Christianity and Judaism are far more similar than communism and socialism.
Both religions are Abrahamic religions. Sure they have their differences but both rely on faith. They're dissimilar in name and version of the book they read. And a few nuances about jesus.

Meanwhile while very misunderstood the simple truth is communism ≠ socialism.
In communism you're given a car to use, given a home to sleep in and you own neither.
In socialism you can buy a car or home and if the bank is paid off you own them.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27488873 - 10/01/21 03:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Poll
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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #27489039 - 10/01/21 05:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

What's more similar, bananas and flying spaghetti monster or titties and Norton Anti-virus?


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27489219 - 10/01/21 08:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

You're just defining things on your own.

Christianity is an offshoot of judiasm where whet believe Jesus is a savior which i guess means we already got some sort of salvation and if we disagree it's because we don't worship Jesus correctly.

Communism and socialism are the same thing in most people's minds. Communism is maybe more geared towards collective ownership of the means of production, where socialism just means tax money used for social welfare, but those aren't hard definitions I think.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27489223 - 10/01/21 08:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

When you look at how many people have died to each ideology they're basically identical.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #27489230 - 10/01/21 08:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

🤔 Weird take. What sort of numbers are we looking at here?


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #27489425 - 10/02/21 01:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Judaism is a foundation for Christianity and socialism is a foundation for communism. Or vice versa. Though socialism had been around almost as long as society.

I suppose there's a difference between the history of the ideology and the ideology as it is known.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #27489643 - 10/02/21 07:58 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Communism and socialism are the same thing in most people's minds. Communism is maybe more geared towards collective ownership of the means of production, where socialism just means tax money used for social welfare, but those aren't hard definitions I think.




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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: Kalendula]
    #27489651 - 10/02/21 08:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I live in a socialist place, it's not too bad.
Health and education is accessible to all, we have true class mobility. You actually CAN make if you want. I am currently at school and it's costing me 200$ a semester and I have access to a bunch of interest free loans.
In exchange you pay some more tax, and maybe you won't be able to turn money into more money so fast (you still can if you are inclined to). The tax is on a scale.

In the sense that the greatest determining factor in your success is the individual, the social infrastructure tries to even out things like being born disadvantaged.
No way to fix genetics unfortunately, but there are safety nets for the truly destitute.

In fact, if you think of age and disease, we all get to benefit from those safety nets eventually...


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #27489674 - 10/02/21 08:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I think socialism can be kind of a tricky term because as originally defined it was more or less communism, means of production owned communally but still somehow a functioning democracy, unlike real life implementations of country-level communism thus far. Then there is the modern sense where people picture maybe one of those Scandinavian countries with a robust social safety net and possibly some nationalized industry in resource extraction or something, but otherwise a capitalist system.


From what I have seen of Judaism it seems like the practice doesn't differ all that much from the Christian sect I'm most familiar with, Roman Catholicism. They both seem to have a flair for ritual. Overall I wouldn't say they are any more dissimilar than one Christian sect is from another.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27489708 - 10/02/21 09:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Which is more similar and why?

Communism and Socialism

Or

Judaism and Christianity




My opinion is that Christianity and Judaism are far more similar than communism and socialism.
Both religions are Abrahamic religions. Sure they have their differences but both rely on faith. They're dissimilar in name and version of the book they read. And a few nuances about jesus.

Meanwhile while very misunderstood the simple truth is communism ≠ socialism.
In communism you're given a car to use, given a home to sleep in and you own neither.
In socialism you can buy a car or home and if the bank is paid off you own them.




communism and socialism are the same thing.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: lowbrow]
    #27489738 - 10/02/21 09:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Which is more similar and why?

Communism and Socialism

Or

Judaism and Christianity




My opinion is that Christianity and Judaism are far more similar than communism and socialism.
Both religions are Abrahamic religions. Sure they have their differences but both rely on faith. They're dissimilar in name and version of the book they read. And a few nuances about jesus.

Meanwhile while very misunderstood the simple truth is communism ≠ socialism.
In communism you're given a car to use, given a home to sleep in and you own neither.
In socialism you can buy a car or home and if the bank is paid off you own them.




communism and socialism are the same thing.



The only people dumb enough to believe that are brainwashed by mainstream conservative media.

Maybe you could articulate how they're the same


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27489770 - 10/02/21 10:17 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It just depends which definition of "socialism" you go with. It can refer to communist systems like the USSR, or it can refer to systems like Scandinavian style social democracies. Two very distinct things, but each in its own sense is "socialism."

It would be pretty out there to directly claim that social democracies are communist, but the fact that "socialism" can be applied to either can be used to muddy the waters. To say that socialism and communism are the same thing is inflammatory because it could be taken to imply that social democracies and communism are the same thing, yet it is not really false because "socialism" can refer to communism.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: psi]
    #27489844 - 10/02/21 11:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Communism, socialism and Judaism are all fighting to rule the world on the backs of Christians, obvs.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27489852 - 10/02/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Quote:

lowbrow said:
Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Which is more similar and why?

Communism and Socialism

Or

Judaism and Christianity




My opinion is that Christianity and Judaism are far more similar than communism and socialism.
Both religions are Abrahamic religions. Sure they have their differences but both rely on faith. They're dissimilar in name and version of the book they read. And a few nuances about jesus.

Meanwhile while very misunderstood the simple truth is communism ≠ socialism.
In communism you're given a car to use, given a home to sleep in and you own neither.
In socialism you can buy a car or home and if the bank is paid off you own them.




communism and socialism are the same thing.



The only people dumb enough to believe that are brainwashed by mainstream conservative media.

Maybe you could articulate how they're the same


They're two different names for the same thing.  It’s like chiaroscuro and tennebrism.  Two different names, but the same thing.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: lowbrow]
    #27489962 - 10/02/21 01:46 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Socialism and communism are inherently different

Look up the definitions. Communism has never existed

Stuff like this becomes a language game. The commonly accepted academic definitions Often differ from the everyday usage of the terms


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: Big_Dub] * 1
    #27489995 - 10/02/21 02:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Communism has never existed




Yeah, I heard that in a YouTube video.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: psi] * 1
    #27490027 - 10/02/21 02:58 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Your definitions are all wrong.

Socialism = collective ownership of the economy through the state
Communism = socialism without a state and without class division

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psi said:
It just depends which definition of "socialism" you go with. It can refer to communist systems like the USSR, or it can refer to systems like Scandinavian style social democracies. Two very distinct things, but each in its own sense is "socialism."

It would be pretty out there to directly claim that social democracies are communist, but the fact that "socialism" can be applied to either can be used to muddy the waters. To say that socialism and communism are the same thing is inflammatory because it could be taken to imply that social democracies and communism are the same thing, yet it is not really false because "socialism" can refer to communism.



Social democracy is capitalism. Every Scandinavian country is capitalist and follows liberal market economics.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #27490113 - 10/02/21 04:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Judaism is a branch of Christianity. Judaism is basically just the old testament of the bible. Or maybe it's the new testament, I can't remember from religious studies.

Socialism IS different from communism. Socialism is when the means the production are owned by the people. In communism, the means of production are owned by the state, but everyone has what they need.

This talks about the differences: How Are Socialism and Communism Different?

The USSR was really not that bad. They took work ethic very seriously and EVERYONE had a job. Unlike shitty capitalism where there is "supposed" to be some sort of unemployment level.


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Re: Are Christianity and Judaism or Communism and Socialism more similar [Re: mongo lloyd] * 1
    #27490115 - 10/02/21 04:24 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

When enough people use a word "wrong", it becomes established usage. :shrug:


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