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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27486400 - 09/29/21 01:40 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It's.. incredibly strange, like a curvature in reality, plain to see.

Likely they'll wind up doing the opposite of the opposite of the opposite, and who knows what that means.

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Making any decision based on political propaganda is probably a bad idea.



Unless you're like, applying for a job at the propaganda factory? Like you just really like being the best propagandist or something? :lol:


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27486403 - 09/29/21 01:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Dying to own the lib

Ron Desantis only won his last election by 31,000 votes. He’s likely killed off that margin of his supporters.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #27486415 - 09/29/21 01:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I hope it matters, Nikki Fried is a wet blanket and Charlie Crist is a different republican Governor of Florida.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27486516 - 09/29/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah guys the virus is like the bloods and the crips. Watch out what color you're wearing on the streets.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: hummingbird] * 2
    #27486570 - 09/29/21 04:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

One side wants you to have a free fda approved 99.9% chance at not having to give any fucks about COVID at all , the other side wants you to spend your money on something that has a picture of a horse on the box .
  Let's not make it more complicated than it is .


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27486592 - 09/29/21 04:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Is it really that simple though? Honestly?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
    #27486604 - 09/29/21 04:40 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Before any of this Covid stuff, the stereotype for me that would spring to mind of an anti-vax person who embraces the medical fringe would be a left-leaning hippie type. But it's like those things have become core to a conservative identity almost overnight. Anti-science sentiments in conservatism are nothing new of course, but it seems like the focus was mostly on other stuff like climate change before this.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: hummingbird]
    #27486607 - 09/29/21 04:41 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Ivermectin is natural selection.




The virus is much better suited to be considered natural selection, as are many viruses in a way. Ivermectin would be more reasonable to consider as medical malpractice/error when used or dosed incorrectly. It's been a pretty safe and useful drug since it came out. When dosed properly there are some countries experiencing success with it as part of a treatment protocol. Are there risks when used improperly? I mean, that's a risk for any drug...

 
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I really hope some of these people pushing ivermectin go to prison. What they are doing is evil.




That's exactly what people say for all kinds of drugs. Ones that have killed and harmed many more people than ivermectin. Drug makers usually just get a fine, and the doctors that pushed them are basically never part of class action lawsuits. The victims get a typically small divided up cut of the drug company's fines.




It’s also medical malpractice when you’re prescribing medication that doesn’t work. Doctors must employ best practices or risk losing their licenses. Doctors who are running ivermectin clinics should be shut down and lose their licenses, just as the one who are selling vaccine exemptions


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: psi] * 2
    #27486611 - 09/29/21 04:44 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Before any of this Covid stuff, the stereotype for me that would spring to mind of an anti-vax person who embraces the medical fringe would be a left-leaning hippie type. But it's like those things have become core to a conservative identity almost overnight. Anti-science sentiments in conservatism are nothing new of course, but it seems like the focus was mostly on other stuff like climate change before this.




It’s like they flipped on a dime



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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27486618 - 09/29/21 04:54 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, medication that doesn't work would fall in line with used or dosed incorrectly part I said about medical error.

@psi- Right? That's one of the biggest mindfucks that's come with all this to me, I've noticed that too. Also people who had distrust with the authoritarian ideas of government or the pharmacy companies are now some of their biggest proponents. It's bizarro world, flippin everywhere.

The actual dealing with of c19 and all that comes with it seems a lot more complex than political affiliation to me personally though. Feel free to disagree.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: hummingbird] * 1
    #27486629 - 09/29/21 05:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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He told the publication that he felt “slightly better” after two weeks with the virus, but had lost his taste, smell and appetite, and dropped seven kilos.




  That's Ben Garrison talking about having COVID .  I not sure if the beetroot juice and Ivermectin are working because he isn't dead or aren't working because it looks like he's dying .
    I'm glad I got vaccinated and don't have to worry about getting sick for a month , paying a bridge toll to go to Whole Foods for beetroot or wherever the fuck you go , and then to a doctor to get laughed at and then to the feed store to look at an empty shelf  .


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27486639 - 09/29/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

As part of a new set of policies aimed at cutting down on anti-vaccine content on the Google-owned site, YouTube will ban any videos that claim that commonly used vaccines approved by health authorities are ineffective or dangerous.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/29/youtube-ban-joseph-mercola/


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #27486642 - 09/29/21 05:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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He told the publication that he felt “slightly better” after two weeks with the virus, but had lost his taste, smell and appetite, and dropped seven kilos.




  That's Ben Garrison talking about having COVID .  I not sure if the beetroot juice and Ivermectin are working because he isn't dead or aren't working because it looks like he's dying .
    I'm glad I got vaccinated and don't have to worry about getting sick for a month , paying a bridge toll to go to Whole Foods for beetroot or wherever the fuck you go , and then to a doctor to get laughed at and then to the feed store to look at an empty shelf  .




I’ve seen his cartoons and he never had any taste


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: psi] * 1
    #27486687 - 09/29/21 06:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Before any of this Covid stuff, the stereotype for me that would spring to mind of an anti-vax person who embraces the medical fringe would be a left-leaning hippie type. But it's like those things have become core to a conservative identity almost overnight. Anti-science sentiments in conservatism are nothing new of course, but it seems like the focus was mostly on other stuff like climate change before this.




Qanon.

Conspiracy theorists used to be pretty politically diverse, unified only by distrust of authority. Right wing conspiracies tended to be anti-government (9/11 truthers and such), left wing conspiracies tended to be anti-corporate (antivaxxers, crunchy moms), and there was a sizeable anti-organized religion that was relatively centrist ("spiritual but not religious" people).

Then Qanon came through like the Hinduism of conspiracies, adapting all that it touched into a pro-Trump message.

As a result, conspiracies are now less about general distrust of authority and more about a certain political message.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: hummingbird]
    #27486718 - 09/29/21 06:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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@psi- Right? That's one of the biggest mindfucks that's come with all this to me, I've noticed that too. Also people who had distrust with the authoritarian ideas of government or the pharmacy companies are now some of their biggest proponents. It's bizarro world, flippin everywhere.

The actual dealing with of c19 and all that comes with it seems a lot more complex than political affiliation to me personally though. Feel free to disagree.



For sure it's incredibly complex to figure out the best way to deal with the disease. Personally I have faith that mainstream medical science is able to ignore the political noise and do their jobs in a professional way though, not ignoring working treatments because the wrong political ideology are fans. Do I have the requisite knowledge to verify that personally, no. But I find it a lot more plausible than the "skip the vaccine and use my miracle cure" hucksters turning out to be on the right track. The ivermectin hype has the same stink of martyrdom about it that the HCQ fad did. If it works it will be purely by accident because mainstream medicine will use it and there will be no controversy to support a martyrdom act. The people most susceptible to this manipulation feel so under attack that veterinary meds seem a sane alternative to a medical establishment that conspires to deny them a working treatment.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: psi]
    #27487069 - 09/30/21 02:50 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Veterinary meds are a sane alternative to US healthcare costs.

That's part of the issue, I think. You can get a prescription for amoxicillin and pay hundreds of dollars for it, or you can go to the pet store and buy fish amoxicillin for 5$ a bottle.

But in that case, you're buying the same relevant medicine, just for cheaper.

If covid was a parasitic worm, then buying horse dewormer would be a perfectly reasonable course of action for people that can't afford US healthcare costs. The problem is, covid isn't a parasitic worm.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #27487128 - 09/30/21 05:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

If you want to be safe an keep your job get the shot i definitely recommended get at least maybe 4 to be safe.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #27487169 - 09/30/21 07:04 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Veterinary meds are a sane alternative to US healthcare costs.

That's part of the issue, I think. You can get a prescription for amoxicillin and pay hundreds of dollars for it, or you can go to the pet store and buy fish amoxicillin for 5$ a bottle.

But in that case, you're buying the same relevant medicine, just for cheaper.

If covid was a parasitic worm, then buying horse dewormer would be a perfectly reasonable course of action for people that can't afford US healthcare costs. The problem is, covid isn't a parasitic worm.



Sure, yeah if it was some completely different disease that was reliably cleared up by a regimen of drug X, someone winging it and self-medicating might conceivably treat it without the help of any medical professionals. But in general, forgoing doctors to try to treat serious and life-threatening diseases on your own isn't too sane of an option, even if the alternative involves insane medical debts.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27487194 - 09/30/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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One side wants you to have a free fda approved 99.9% chance at not having to give any fucks about COVID at all , the other side wants you to spend your money on something that has a picture of a horse on the box .
  Let's not make it more complicated than it is .





Something like half of the US adult population is still unvaccinated. Unless we’re going to argue that half the country is taking horse dewormer, it’s just a convenient (and funny) distraction away from the real issue: Why won’t people get vaccinated?

I’d say the ivermectin folks make up MAYBE 1% of that unvaccinated group of adults. So what explains the other 99%?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27487201 - 09/30/21 08:10 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

People currently self-medicating with ivermectin would be a subset of a broader group of people who believe that right-wing disinformation sources have some kind of inside scoop on treating the disease.


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