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The Ecstatic said: After begrudgingly admitting that there isn’t really a Muslim genocide happening in Xinjiang, the AP is now reporting that China is rolling back their genocide, as if political pressure from the noble West is what stopped something that never really happened in the first place.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9
That's the interesting thing about these ideologues. There are conspiracy theorists who assume them to be all-knowing and omnipotent, each move they make all part of a grand strategic master plan, when in fact, they are incredibly stupid and impulsive people who are sacrificing their (or America's) best proverbial chess pieces in the long term for short term gains.
They've utterly obliterated even a pretence of US claims to the moral high ground during the last 20 years of war, and with the Assange case, and in reporting China's 'genocide' make a global mockery of the western media apparently unaware that the genius of the western propaganda of the past was its subtlety and selectivity (they didn't just make shit up or not if they could help it, and they certainly didn't use censorship as they are doing now!).
One can only bullshit other people for so long before others stop paying attention to everything that person is saying about anything.
Their domestic policy is equally baffling because it seems to be operating upon the dangerous assumption that creating an unstable and divided society will make them more powerful (like that couldn't backfire) and all this while becoming ever more belligerent towards two global powers that are increasingly more stable and united than the increasingly disunited states of America.
This video details the Huawei affair and is making the same point:
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The obliteration of even a pretense of US claims to the moral high ground happened before most of the people on this website were born. I would place it around the middle of the Viet Nam police action. Even LBJ knew it when he decided not to run in 68. Most of the rest of the country knew it by a few years later. The rest of the world has known it for a long time, but there are military alliances, foreign aid and international commerce that keep them from bringing it up too often.
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Okay but remember WW2? Fucking WORLD CHAMPS
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Brian Jones said: Most of the rest of the country knew it by a few years later. The rest of the world has known it for a long time, but there are military alliances, foreign aid and international commerce that keep them from bringing it up too often.
But to what extent do/will they understand?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8CeRGYK20GLO/
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The Ecstatic said: Okay but remember WW2? Fucking WORLD CHAMPS
We did good with that one, but also took credit for the job USSR had almost finished in Europe before we got there.
I find the conspiracy theory intriguing that FDR knew Pearl Harbor would happen and let it happen, so we could go from isolationist to Fucking WORLD CHAMPS.
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The Australians did warn us 
Either way, our blockade of Japan was an act of war, and any military man worth his salt would’ve been prepared for retaliation.
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wolf8312 said: Brian Jones said: Most of the rest of the country knew it by a few years later. The rest of the world has known it for a long time, but there are military alliances, foreign aid and international commerce that keep them from bringing it up too often.
But to what extent do/will they understand?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8CeRGYK20GLO/</font>
This is what I was going to say before I looked at your link. We were well on our way to understanding until 9/11 caused a whole lot of temporary insanity and we went batshit crazy for a while.
This is what I came up with after I clicked your link that I watched for about 4 seconds, and searched media bias of bitchute. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bitchute/ https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/bitchute/ https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate
Maybe someone can summarize it for me.
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Judging by the thumbnail being an image of WTC7 I’m guessing it’s a truther video.
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Does that mean we did it to ourselves so we could start wars?
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I would wager that’s the crux of the video, although it could be something like “the government always lies to get us into wars,” which is basically true.
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Well it's not like we haven't done that before. But I don't think we could have got away with 9/11. Anyway, there would have been much less messy ways to start a war on the other side of the world than dive bombing NYC. We have reached the stage of history where there is going to be a conspiracy theory for everything. It's Warholian.
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Is bitchute a news source? I thought it was just like a shit-tier knockoff youtube.
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wolf8312 said: Brian Jones said: Most of the rest of the country knew it by a few years later. The rest of the world has known it for a long time, but there are military alliances, foreign aid and international commerce that keep them from bringing it up too often.
But to what extent do/will they understand?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8CeRGYK20GLO/</font>
This is what I was going to say before I looked at your link. We were well on our way to understanding until 9/11 caused a whole lot of temporary insanity and we went batshit crazy for a while.
This is what I came up with after I clicked your link that I watched for about 4 seconds, and searched media bias of bitchute. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bitchute/ https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/bitchute/ https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate
Maybe someone can summarize it for me.
This fact-checker is funded in part or in whole by the American government! 
Bitchute is a video platform. It does not produce the videos themselves so to imply that the video itself lacks merit because one of your media fact-checkers says the platform itself is "a hotbed of hate" is like saying that a video about mathematics must be dismissed because it sits next to a video of Hitler at Nuremberg. They are different videos!
The documentary itself is about a 4-year research project conducted at the University of Alaska Fairbanks by professor J. Leroy Hulsey concluding that the NIST reports findings on WT7 were incorrect.
Maybe the university itself is a hotbed of hate and extremism and old J. Leroy Hulsey and the researchers themselves are dangerous conspiracy theorists (no doubt!) but see for yourself I guess!
It's ironic though how people need to invent conspiracy theories (the old professor/engineer is clearly in it for the money) in order to debunk them and then turn around and mock conspiracy theorists!
Remember the documentary would not even need to be on Bitchute were it not for the fact that such videos are now increasingly being banned from YouTube itself which should be a massive red flag in itself.
Try even typing things like this into their comments sections and refresh the page!
You may claim in response that YT is a private company so it is not censorship, but remember it is big tech that controls the internet and online information in China, not the police.
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This is a study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) — a 47-story building that suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, following the horrible events of that morning. The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.
The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.
The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
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I'll never understand why people are so focused on WTC 7. That said, low level level physics pretty well explains why a building would collapse under those conditions. Buildings are in no way designed to sustain damage from other buildings and additionally being set on fire by debris. You only have to heat steel to around 400F for it to loose temper, meaning the structural property of the steel that prevents brittleness among other things, is simply lost at those temperatures. This is why steel buildings are heavily fire proofed around all of the load bearing steel. Take a look at the interior of the next modern steel parking garage you are in, all of the steel will be coated in a rough looking padding. That is fire proofing. In most cases (this one included) that fire proofing is passive, once it gets too hot, it burns or deteriorates. It's basically insulation to keep the structure cool enough for evacuations to complete, not a feature to prevent long term damage. That's where fire suppression takes over. So sustained fires will destroy the structure, especially if fire suppression is insufficient as we saw at WTC 7. WTC 7 is a nice case study on what happens when you get sustained fires in addition to structural damage and a lack of fire suppression. It was a perfect storm.
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christopera said: I'll never understand why people are so focused on WTC 7. That said, low level level physics pretty well explains why a building would collapse under those conditions. Buildings are in no way designed to sustain damage from other buildings and additionally being set on fire by debris. You only have to heat steel to around 400F for it to loose temper, meaning the structural property of the steel that prevents brittleness among other things, is simply lost at those temperatures. This is why steel buildings are heavily fire proofed around all of the load bearing steel. Take a look at the interior of the next modern steel parking garage you are in, all of the steel will be coated in a rough looking padding. That is fire proofing. In most cases (this one included) that fire proofing is passive, once it gets too hot, it burns or deteriorates. It's basically insulation to keep the structure cool enough for evacuations to complete, not a feature to prevent long term damage. That's where fire suppression takes over. So sustained fires will destroy the structure, especially if fire suppression is insufficient as we saw at WTC 7. WTC 7 is a nice case study on what happens when you get sustained fires in addition to structural damage and a lack of fire suppression. It was a perfect storm.
Well even NIST itself said that 7 did not collapse due to falling debris but collapsed solely due to fire, so you are contradicting the official account itself there bud!
But can you honestly say that you personally know for sure that what you're saying above is correct, or are these just your own opinions reformulated as declarative statements/facts?
So let's say it's fire (though there is no evidence whatsoever of a raging inferno) then, not debris, that can cause steel-framed high rises to obliterate themselves in roughly 6/7 seconds. This despite it never happening before 911, but happening on 911 for the first, second and third time in recorded history (PxPxP).
Maybe that... could happen... but you seem to be saying that not only could it happen but that it is intuitive and all perfectly natural and to be expected.
Remember too it wasn't simply the collapse of the building that contradicts the fire hypothesis, but the mathematical precision/symmetry, and the rate and acceleration (see video below) at which the building fell. If you read the report cited above, or watch the documentary you will see that the researchers did indeed account for the fireproofing in their models and used minimum and maximum bounds (fireproofing and no fireproofing) in their calculations.
Aside from looking at a wall in a car park how did you yourself formulate your own calculations on which your own factual (or declarative's) conclusions were/are based? Again opinion right?
Anyway sorry! Not going to get back into the 911 debates as they're a fool's errand.
But on the same general topic guys, I highly recommend you check out the Belmarsh tribunal attended by British MP's and various (real) journalists, lawyers and whistleblowers (Snowdon makes an appearance). Some very powerful and stirring (though infuriating and depressing) testimony.
I and BrianJones touched before on the extent to which the western public really understands what is happening and the malevolent criminal forces now in power in the west. I personally don't believe the public at large has any idea about the nature of the crimes being discussed in that tribunal (some shocking testimony) so if you do care please share the video!
Great to see there are people in power and journalism who do have the integrity and bravery to stand up.
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I never said it collapsed because of the damage. I said it wasn't intended to take on damage and sustain fire, especially not with a poorly performing fire suppression system.
That said, the fire obviously damaged the building because it fell. The proof is in the pudding. What isn't in that pudding? A controlled demolition or any of the other bullshit that gets talked about.
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christopera said: I never said it collapsed because of the damage. I said it wasn't intended to take on damage and sustain fire, especially not with a poorly performing fire suppression system.
That said, the fire obviously damaged the building because it fell. The proof is in the pudding. What isn't in that pudding? A controlled demolition or any of the other bullshit that gets talked about.
Well you’re welcome to your opinion!
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You posted a video of it happening. It's right there, no opinions required.
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christopera said: You posted a video of it happening. It's right there, no opinions required.
Sure…
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People love to argue, "well it could never happen that way" and yet there it is.
Correlation isn't causation and things that are perceived as weird usually aren't weird at all.
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