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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Byrain]
#27485596 - 09/28/21 07:07 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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ivermectin is a grift and they prey on gullible people like yourself with laughable data like you have in that link
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27485665 - 09/28/21 08:20 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ivermectin is natural selection.
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Byrain

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Both Norway and Denmark have ended their lockdowns and most restrictions and appear to be following Sweden's example now.
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/norway-lifts-all-national-restrictions/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2021/08/27/denmark-lifts-all-coronavirus-restrictions-except-entry-rules/
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koods said: ivermectin is a grift and they prey on gullible people like yourself with laughable data like you have in that link
I suspect you don't know what grift means. Anyone trying to grift with a non-patented drug where Merck already promised to provide it "as much as needed, for as long as needed" is doing it wrong.
https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/
This is another thing you did not read in the sources provided to you earlier, thanks for all these examples of your lack of reading comprehension!
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27485682 - 09/28/21 08:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Ivermectin is natural selection.
You actually think that?
In case you actually want to not sound stupid all the time I suggest reading this. Before C19 was a thing ivermectin was regarded as a miracle drug with multiple known uses including both anti-parsite and anti-viral.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
The only question is how well it does or doesn't work on covid-19, the fact that it has a long history of use and multiple success stories is not debatable.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Byrain]
#27485694 - 09/28/21 08:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Both Norway and Denmark have ended their lockdowns and most restrictions and appear to be following Sweden's example now.
Which example is that? How to kill as many people as quickly as possible.
Unbelievable you people look at Sweden’s terrible outcomes and think “hey this is a good idea.”
And as if Sweden somehow is leading on this. The UK ended all restrictions months ago.
You live in an alternate reality where up is down.
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Edited by koods (09/28/21 08:37 PM)
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Byrain]
#27485702 - 09/28/21 08:41 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Ivermectin is natural selection.
You actually think that?
In case you actually want to not sound stupid all the time I suggest reading this. Before C19 was a thing ivermectin was regarded as a miracle drug with multiple known uses including both anti-parsite and anti-viral.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
The only question is how well it does or doesn't work on covid-19, the fact that it has a long history of use and multiple success stories is not debatable.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] 2
#27485712 - 09/28/21 08:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Both Norway and Denmark have ended their lockdowns and most restrictions and appear to be following Sweden's example now.
Which example is that? How to kill as many people as quickly as possible.
Unbelievable you people look at Sweden’s terrible outcomes and think “hey this is a good idea.”
We been over this already, try again. Sweden has near 0 new deaths now, their plan worked.
They are following Sweden's example by opening up their society despite the pandemic not being over. They realized that pandora's box has already been opened and this is something we will need to learn to live with. The leaky vaccines that do not prevent transmission or infection actually removes the evolutionary pressure on the virus to be less deadly. Instead of only the virus that doesn't kill people being spread the virus that still kills people can find reservoirs to repeatedly infect new people.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715#What-We-Learned-from-Chickens https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
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koods said: IT WON THE NOBEL PRIZE!!!!!
Yes, we know. Your melt is getting out of hand. Is the reality that you are scientifically illiterate AND intellectually insincere really so hard to accept? Look at how poorly you are doing against a biologist with absolutely no medical training, LOL.
Edited by Byrain (09/28/21 08:50 PM)
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27485714 - 09/28/21 08:51 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suspect you don't know what grift means.
“Americas frontline doctors” the primary promoter of the ivermectin scam, sells consultations on its site to get a prescription for ivermectin. It’s gross.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] 1
#27485716 - 09/28/21 08:52 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, natural selection is a slow process.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27485719 - 09/28/21 08:54 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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We been over this already, try again. Sweden has near 0 new deaths now, their plan worked.
What was the plan? Kill your citizens at a rate 8-10x higher than your neighbors and still end up with current seven day average deaths double that of anyone else in Scandinavia?
It’s stunning someone can look at this and think Sweden had the plan to go with.

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The leaky vaccines that do not prevent transmission or infection actually removes the evolutionary pressure on the virus to be less deadly.
Your understanding of virology is as insightful as your ability to look at the graph above and think Sweden did a good job
Edited by koods (09/28/21 09:29 PM)
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Byrain]
#27485889 - 09/29/21 12:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Byrain said: We been over this already, try again. Sweden has near 0 new deaths now, their plan worked.
They are following Sweden's example by opening up their society despite the pandemic not being over. They realized that pandora's box has already been opened and this is something we will need to learn to live with. The leaky vaccines that do not prevent transmission or infection actually removes the evolutionary pressure on the virus to be less deadly. Instead of only the virus that doesn't kill people being spread the virus that still kills people can find reservoirs to repeatedly infect new people.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715#What-We-Learned-from-Chickens https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
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Yes, we know. Your melt is getting out of hand. Is the reality that you are scientifically illiterate AND intellectually insincere really so hard to accept? Look at how poorly you are doing against a biologist with absolutely no medical training, LOL.
You mean almost like all "conspiracy theorists" correctly asserted almost a year and a half ago - and what unpopular virologists are being cancelled, censored, and blocked for correctly scientifically postulating?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
#27485900 - 09/29/21 12:55 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Ivermectin is natural selection.
The virus is much better suited to be considered natural selection, as are many viruses in a way. Ivermectin would be more reasonable to consider as medical malpractice/error when used or dosed incorrectly. It's been a pretty safe and useful drug since it came out. When dosed properly there are some countries experiencing success with it as part of a treatment protocol. Are there risks when used improperly? I mean, that's a risk for any drug...
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koods said: I really hope some of these people pushing ivermectin go to prison. What they are doing is evil.
That's exactly what people say for all kinds of drugs. Ones that have killed and harmed many more people than ivermectin. Drug makers usually just get a fine, and the doctors that pushed them are basically never part of class action lawsuits. The victims get a typically small divided up cut of the drug company's fines.
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What about ivarmectinn but the vaxcine 
Please get a grip, folks. Making your healthcare decisions based on political propaganda isn't healthy, case in point:
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In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June,... In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000.
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#27485955 - 09/29/21 03:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Making any decision based on political propaganda is probably a bad idea.
Edited by hummingbird (09/29/21 03:35 AM)
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It seems like covid is 5x as bad right now than it was last year. I hope bidens vacation bill passes sooner than later.
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It's 5x higher because the vaccine is like 5% effective at keeping you outta the hospital. Keep it up koodz, I love seeing you seethe about the 50% of humanity who aren't afraid of the common coldx2 every day
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: doubleD]
#27486150 - 09/29/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fringe Doctors’ Groups Promote Ivermectin for COVID despite a Lack of Evidence......,.. But now several groups of doctors are encouraging and enabling people to take the drug off-label to treat or prevent COVID—despite a lack of solid evidence that it works against the disease and the fact that high doses can be harmful.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fringe-doctors-groups-promote-ivermectin-for-covid-despite-a-lack-of-evidence/
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27486235 - 09/29/21 10:43 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Way I see it, excluding logic from science is a very limited definition of science. Same with logic-based ...sciences... like math.
If you wish to absolutely limit yourself to observational science, I'd argue that neither biology nor chemistry meet the definition of science, because in most cases, neither can be observed directly. Same with physics. As well as most social sciences.
Essentially, under that definition, anything that requires equipment fancier than the Mark 1 Eyeball is no longer science.
I don't know much chemistry; none in college. Biology is observation based. I'm taking human bio right now, because wouldn't you know it, they wouldn't accept my transcripts from 35 years ago. Physics, little that I know, seems to be more theoretical than empirical once we got past Newton.
The issue isn't whether something can be observed directly; electron microscopes and radio telescopes just let us see things that are smaller or farther. I do see your point though. It's like postmodern theorist Francois Baudrillard's hyper-reality. We see less and less of the real and more and more representations of representations etc. of the real.
The social sciences depend on whether you're looking at them micro or macro. We can't observe society or economies except in pieces. Social sciences are sciences because they examine human activity using the scientific method.
I don't think math or logic are sciences at all, and that's more of a definition than an argument. They're almost entirely internally consistent systems. Math and logic are based on proving something. No level of their current complexity is ever going to make an arithmetic answer untrue. The scientific method is explicitly based on the premise that nothing in the natural world can be proven. Theories can be supported or refuted and over time our explanations for phenomena will change.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Lynnch]
#27486270 - 09/29/21 11:30 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: What about ivarmectinn but the vaxcine 
Please get a grip, folks. Making your healthcare decisions based on political propaganda isn't healthy, case in point:
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In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June,... In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000.

I thought this was fake when I first saw it. The Republicans are killing themselves out of electoral viability lol.
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Hard for anyone on the right to do much to counter this at this point even if they clue into it. Trump got booed by his own supporters at a rally not long ago for recommending vaccination. And there was that Breitbart writer recently who forwarded the idea that Democrats are actually intentionally tricking Republicans into not getting it because they know they'll reflexively take a contrarian stance to own the libs.
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Do you want to know why I think Howard Stern is going full-monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? Because leftists like Stern and CNNLOL and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated.
Nothing else makes sense to me.
In a country where elections are decided on razor-thin margins, does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead?
If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life-saving vaccination, I would do exactly what Stern and the left are doing… I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, Hey, fuck you, I’m never getting vaccinated!
And why is that a perfectly human response? Because no one ever wants to feel like they are being bullied or ridiculed or mocked or pushed into doing anything.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

Whatever works I guess. If he can convince anyone they can own the libs by doing the opposite of the opposite of what they say and getting vaccinated, more power to him. Not sure there's any sign it has worked though.
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