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Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! 4
#27475475 - 09/20/21 10:24 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Last year I found what appears to be G. luteofolius in a small pile of wood chips alongside a country road outside of my home town Bergen.
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Ten days ago I went back to see if there was any activity, there are several piles of chips dumped around this area, with different species growing there.
So it was a nice surprise to see the following cluster growing at exactly the same spot, and even better that this time I caught them before they started to dry out and deteriorate:

I brought home the specimens in front in the second picture, and left rest of the cluster as is. I want these guys to drop their spores and thrive, if possible.
Today I went back and took a second look at them:

I also discovered some pins of them in some wood chips inside a thicket a few meters away, I'll take some pictures of these if they get the chance to mature properly, given it is really dry here now.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Berge, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27475549 - 09/20/21 11:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, and I can't even find G. luteofolius one state away from its described habitat
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Berge, Norway - again! [Re: Moria841]
#27475652 - 09/20/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool to see cute little subearlies poppin again 
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Moria841 said: Wow, and I can't even find G. luteofolius one state away from its described habitat 
I can't find some species to save my life. And fuck I've tried.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27475969 - 09/20/21 04:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome find! That’s a healthy looking clump you got there! I can’t see any in the photos but did you notice any green staining by chance?
I feel ya Moria, that’s how I feel about ovoids! I have only found a single patch of luteofolius in ny so far and it was completely by accident. Unfortunately my patch keeps throwing out aborts and real tiny fruits; nothing nearly as impressive a these. They did all show quite heavy green staining though witch is why I asked. I sent a sample out to Alan for sequencing a few months ago so maybe he will have something back to compare these to soon.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Berge, Norway - again! [Re: Moria841]
#27476362 - 09/20/21 10:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moria841 said: Wow, and I can't even find G. luteofolius one state away from its described habitat 
I don't know why it suddenly turns up here. It's not supposed to grow in Europe at all. But it's worth noting they are growing in wood chip piles, not in regular beds, like a lot of wood lovers do.
This is at the entrance of a small valley, where I also found another species new to my country 6 years ago. The wood chips, I take it, are from trees in the same valley. They keep chopping down quite a lot of them, feeding the old piles once or twice a year.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Berge, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27476370 - 09/20/21 11:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wonder if it's not luteofolius but another closely related species? You know how convoluted gymnopilus is right now, I'd be curious to see at least the ITS comparison and the north American species. Especially with how different they look to what we would call "luteofolius" here.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Icyurmt]
#27476397 - 09/21/21 12:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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MentalPariah said: I wonder if it's not luteofolius but another closely related species? You know how convoluted gymnopilus is right now, I'd be curious to see at least the ITS comparison and the north American species. Especially with how different they look to what we would call "luteofolius" here.
Yes, this is a good point. Maybe it's a situation a bit similar to the Psilocybe woodlover complex.
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Icyurmt said: Awesome find! That’s a healthy looking clump you got there! I can’t see any in the photos but did you notice any green staining by chance?
I didn't notice in situ but I'm wondering if I see some very faint greenish spots in the pictures, not sure though, might just be dirt:
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27478116 - 09/22/21 11:04 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not Gymnopilus luteofolius due to the smooth cap. It's something more interesting, get more photos and save collections.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#27478186 - 09/22/21 12:11 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Not Gymnopilus luteofolius due to the smooth cap. It's something more interesting, get more photos and save collections.
Well it's Gymnopilus at least. Got any ideas what it could be?
The find from last year in the exact same pile, at the exact same spot even, was determined from microscopy to be G. luteofolius. So at least it is probably close, I guess.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27478187 - 09/22/21 12:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Well it's Gymnopilus at least. Got any ideas what it could be?
No idea.
I don't think microscopy is a reliable way to separate all of the species in the G. luteofolius group.
Do you have a link to the microscopy?
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#27478208 - 09/22/21 12:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: No idea.
Interesting. Since it was first assumed to be G. luteofolius, which doesn't occur in Europe, it was still a mystery how it has turned up in this very pile two years in a row. It hasn't been present there before, the chip piles turned up after they cut down the forest three years back, and this is a road I have walked many many times the last ten years or so.
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I don't think microscopy is a reliable way to separate all of the species in the G. luteofolius group.
That wouldn't surprise me a bit, to be honest.
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Do you have a link to the microscopy?
I will ask Øyvind who did it. He does tons of scoping of finds from all over the country, so I am not too optimistic about him doing micrographs, or if he did, whether he has kept them or if maybe they are stacked somewhere in the museum of natural history. But he was very keen on the find, so there is a chance.
Maybe I can send him a sample from this recent collection and ask him to send me pictures an notes of the results.
Maybe he even can get it sequenced for me as well, if I tell him it is unlikely to be G. luteofolius but possibly something undescribed?
I already sent him the recent pictures and he responded in less than 10 minutes saying most likely the same as I found last year.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27478240 - 09/22/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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You must collect samples and get it sequenced! 
Can't wait for the results.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: knarkkorven]
#27478246 - 09/22/21 01:06 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: You must collect samples and get it sequenced! 
Can't wait for the results.

Yes, I collected three specimens from that cluster. I also collected them last year and sent for scoping. They get pretty large, like one single mushroom being around 10 grams dried.
There are also pins coming up in a pile a few meters away. I'll keep updating this thread. Away on holiday now but back next week. Lots of rain back home now after a har draught so I'm optimistic.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27489483 - 10/02/21 03:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Went out again to check on these, and found a new cluster in another heap of wood chips close by. Some pretty good pinning action as well.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27489543 - 10/02/21 05:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Absolutely awesome finds my man
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Diospyros]
#27493186 - 10/05/21 04:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice lucky find !
i have maybe met gym junious and maybe purpuratus in estonian forests ( the older the better, "swampy-er" the better, more aspen, alder the better chanches finding them ) if u have logging roads in norway near swampy forests that contain aspen and alder... u might find more this year :P
im commenting here cuz i could use your gymnopilus expertise..."link below"
i found a HUGE spot of those musshies and i know 2-3 more spots...just gotta know if they are gyms...
how to use gyms ? tea is the best solution, right? can i store them somehow ? dry and put in jars ? or make tea and freeze the tea ?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27493172&page=0&vc=1#27493172
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: LeGanjamanZ]
#27493194 - 10/05/21 05:03 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very nice finds Anglerfish! I love seeing this kind of finds from "nearby", gives me hope of bumping into something I haven't seen before. Like those pelliculosa finds from Norway.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: velho]
#27493203 - 10/05/21 05:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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velho said: Very nice finds Anglerfish! I love seeing this kind of finds from "nearby", gives me hope of bumping into something I haven't seen before. Like those pelliculosa finds from Norway.
u might find pelliculosa at 5-15 year old forests that have been already replanted...where the forest machine drives on the left over material so he wont get stuck in 1 meter mud....perfect ground for them to live in thick layer wood with dirt what keeps moisture inside...
just depends what kind of area pelliculosa likes :P i think i have seen medulossa or another psylocybe spicies+ pluteus sp. in estonia growing in those wooden material tracks that go on forever...
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: LeGanjamanZ]
#27493231 - 10/05/21 06:04 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeGanjamanZ said: Nice lucky find !
i have maybe met gym junious and maybe purpuratus in estonian forests ( the older the better, "swampy-er" the better, more aspen, alder the better chanches finding them ) if u have logging roads in norway near swampy forests that contain aspen and alder... u might find more this year :P
im commenting here cuz i could use your gymnopilus expertise..."link below"
i found a HUGE spot of those musshies and i know 2-3 more spots...just gotta know if they are gyms...
how to use gyms ? tea is the best solution, right? can i store them somehow ? dry and put in jars ? or make tea and freeze the tea ?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27493172&page=0&vc=1#27493172
I don't have any expertise on Gymnopilus species, I'm afraid. Norway has not been known to host any active species in this genus, we mostly get inactive species like G. penetrans, G. junonius plus a few other ones which are kind of rare.
Regarding this collection, with Alan questioning the id of these as G. luteofolius, they are not going to be consumed but kept safe and sent for proper identification and DNA sequencing.
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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius in Bergen, Norway - again! [Re: Anglerfish]
#27493237 - 10/05/21 06:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeGanjamanZ said: Nice lucky find !
i have maybe met gym junious and maybe purpuratus in estonian forests ( the older the better, "swampy-er" the better, more aspen, alder the better chanches finding them ) if u have logging roads in norway near swampy forests that contain aspen and alder... u might find more this year :P
im commenting here cuz i could use your gymnopilus expertise..."link below"
i found a HUGE spot of those musshies and i know 2-3 more spots...just gotta know if they are gyms...
how to use gyms ? tea is the best solution, right? can i store them somehow ? dry and put in jars ? or make tea and freeze the tea ?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27493172&page=0&vc=1#27493172
I don't have any expertise on Gymnopilus species, I'm afraid. Norway has not been known to host any active species in this genus, we mostly get inactive species like G. penetrans, G. junonius plus a few other ones which are kind of rare.
Regarding this collection, with Alan questioning the id of these as G. luteofolius, they are not going to be consumed but kept safe and sent for proper identification and DNA sequencing.
"they are not going to be consumed but kept safe and sent for proper identification and DNA sequencing" can i send my spores to the same place ? i have 2 different mushrooms i have found and stored at home those gyms and maybe psy. medulossa ( dont have spore prints, just the mushrooms, the mushrooms might contain a few spores )
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