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Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen
    #27468721 - 09/14/21 09:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So as we all know most dosing and tolerance advice comes from research James Fadiman did on LSD micro dosing. Paul Stamets is one other source of advice, but in general nothing conclusive has been tested in a clinical setting with mushrooms for some reason, plus the Stamets approach is a bit too conservative in my opinion.

The reason for my saying this is that, during the Fadiman trials, 20 micrograms was considered the upper limit of a micro dose. That is to say 20 micrograms wouldn't affect tolerance at all, and theoretically you could dose every second day(the third day in the cycle is an experimental control, so that people can evaluate what is different when they are not dosing). Now, according to the LSD/mushroom dose converter on tripsafe.org, 20 micrograms is equivalent to roughly 0.48g of mushrooms, which is nearly 10 times the dose Stamets recommends.

The Fadiman trials seemed to be really effective at that dosage level, but finding an equivalent might not be as simple as a conversion of dosages. This is because LSD lasts considerably longer than mushrooms. For this reason I propose an equivalent amount of mushrooms on any given dose day, but staggered into 2 doses. If micro dosing really does not affect tolerance this may very well work as follows: 240mg followed by the other 240mg 4 hours later, so as to keep the momentum(or the flow state) going strong, as to my knowledge it is not the "being high" you are after, but the flow state, or being more in tune with yourself that motivates people to micro dose.

This is quite a steep dosage level though, and I suspect most people will dose less, but it is reassuring to know one could theoretically dose that much, and still not affect tolerance too adversely. I would like to know what you guys think of this staggered mushroom MD protocol. Has anyone tried it? Has anyone found a better way of staggering I. E. Lower dose first then higher dose later or vice versa?


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: ShiroiTora] * 1
    #27468796 - 09/15/21 12:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

i feel like that dosage converter is wrong. 20 mcg does not give me any noticeable feeling except energy and focus. 400mg shrooms would start giving you a buzz. .1-.2g shrooms is a very standard microdose range for shrooms thats pretty established. Fadiman also says "if you find yourself staring at door knobs, you know youve dosed too high." the dosage isnt the absolute factor, its how it affects your mental state that determines your perfect dosage.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Ora]
    #27469510 - 09/15/21 03:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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i feel like that dosage converter is wrong. 20 mcg does not give me any noticeable feeling except energy and focus. 400mg shrooms would start giving you a buzz. .1-.2g shrooms is a very standard microdose range for shrooms thats pretty established. Fadiman also says "if you find yourself staring at door knobs, you know youve dosed too high." the dosage isnt the absolute factor, its how it affects your mental state that determines your perfect dosage.




Did you even read the post? That's what I'm trying to say: 20mics is  equivalent to 0.48g ONLY IF dosed as 0.24×2 due to the duration of acid being longer. The crux of the whole post is the staggered dosing, are you just going to ignore that?


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: ShiroiTora]
    #27469547 - 09/15/21 03:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

My point was the equivalent of 20mcg lsd microdose is 200mg psilocybin. There's no need to dose twice to get 400mg to get the benefits purported for microdosing.

Why do you want to dose what the calculator tells you to when there are already thereupeutic dosages available. I don't understand your reasoning.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Ora]
    #27469780 - 09/15/21 07:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

200mg psilocybin sounds like a much, much heftier dose than a standard microdose.  But, If you are actually referring to the amount of weight of the fungus-matter then that’s a different story.  But you should clarify the matter or recheck your conversions.

Anyways, OP, it sounds like a decent idea - the staggered dosing with psil to account for its short actingness - idk how it actually plays out though.  Have you been doing that?


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27469824 - 09/15/21 07:50 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Ora]
    #27471634 - 09/17/21 11:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

20 mics every other day provides me visual distortion, (evening streetlights are beautiful, cars and bikes and apartments all twinkly).
12 mics smooths everything out for me. very workable, not stoned, just a bit intensified.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27471751 - 09/17/21 01:08 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27471767 - 09/17/21 01:31 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I have to revise my statement 12mics is not too light to worry about driving.
maybe 8 mics is ok for that. but it's great for exercise and for sitting on the computer or doing collaborative tasks that do not involve machinery. No accidents, but it was very annoying to have to stay in the car while driving, but there was really no alternative as I was the driver.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27471802 - 09/17/21 02:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

you must be very sensitive to it. 15-25mcg only gives me sub perceptual changes, maybe only noticeable energy and thats it


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Ora]
    #27473249 - 09/18/21 05:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

20 ug is really on the upper end of a microdose. Either you have shitty tabs or you need a lot of psychedlics to get good effects in general.
I would be too altered to do any work on 20ug, 7 or so is sub perceptual.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: LittleBoard] * 3
    #27480518 - 09/24/21 09:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

There is so much not known on these subjects, that finding an “ideal” one size fits all regimen might not even be possible. Lot depends on the specific mushrooms you’re ingesting. A 0.25 gram dose of average potency cubes would likely be a decent microdose for most people. But I know a person who is super sensitive who would trip balls from that dose. I know another person who has a super hard head and needs to consume 4-5 grams of Pan cyans to get a good experience.

Because most of the time you want the microdose effects to be below conscious perception, it might be a good idea to find ones threshold and then aim just below it.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27481545 - 09/25/21 08:25 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

after a 2 day gap after a mini dose of 25ug, 12ug feels fine 120 minutes in and could drive if necessary... I am not sure why it was heavy the first time I tried it, maybe combined with pseudoephedrine in a reactine I took for allergies that day -

now without the allergy pill but after 2 big coffees no problem.

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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27483680 - 09/27/21 10:23 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've seen. It's a personal thing, combined with how strong the mushrooms are of course.

I just kept a journal in exel. Tracking Mood, effects, dosage, consumption time.  And did a check in every once and a while (first few hours after). It helped narrow down the dose.

Start with a .05g and up it every other day by .05g till you find the sweet spot.

Make sure you run a 1 on 1 off schedule due to the tolerance build up.

When I first tried this, I got up to a peak of a .4g where I started to be more than micro dosing. The world was just a bit too..... interesting. Time was a bit too altered. Eventually knocked it back to a standard .2 or .25g as my happy zone where I am fully functioning animal.

Also I do it lemon tek style. Let it sit in fresh lemon juice for 15m before consumption on an empty stomach (first thing in the morning). I heard it helps make it easier on the stomach, pre digests it, and helps release more of the compounds.

Big thing with mushrooms is the tolerance build up. With a 1 on 1 off schedule it does seem to prevent almost any buildup. Take any extra days off that you can.  I think one huge benefit is being able to take days off of mushrooms and not have any withdraws. I often find skipping days without even noticing.


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: Mastershakes]
    #27489518 - 10/02/21 05:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Make sure you run a 1 on 1 off schedule due to the tolerance build up.






Is the 1 on 1 off a good schedule compared with the 4 on 3 off, or the every 3rd day schedule?
Can it be done long term?


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Re: Call for proper mushroom micro dosing regimen [Re: sunnydays]
    #27490391 - 10/02/21 08:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Make sure you run a 1 on 1 off schedule due to the tolerance build up.






Is the 1 on 1 off a good schedule compared with the 4 on 3 off, or the every 3rd day schedule?
Can it be done long term?




I choose to do a 1 on 1 off vs the 4/3 (i think stamos suggests 4/3). Due to hearing reports of people who did large doses, days in a row, where the end discovery was that you needed a doubling of the dose (1g, 2g, 3g, 4g etc) to keep the same effects going.  I cannot remember the thread where I found the guy who did his own experiment on it.

I think the 3rd day schedule would give you great results as well, but I have not tried it yet.  Often the 1 on 1 off feels like it's a bit too often. I now just have that as a maximum, often skipping days.

I found the 1 on 1 off (often skipping some weekends as well) worked well for my longest period of microdosing in a row ( 2 months). In those 2 months I did not notice a fall off in effect. I more got in a groove of being able to understand how to use the increased focus and mood improvements over time.

What your goal for the microdosing is critical. I was doing it for the mood improvements. I found that they were long lasting when I was forced to go on a sabbatical from microdosing. The idea is not to do it every other day forever. It's to phase it in and out with lasting effects even when not taking any.

My personal experience before this was all macro dosing. I found the mood improvements lasted 3 to 6 months.  Going off the mico I noticed a similar effect for about 3 months this last time.


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