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"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone
#27466660 - 09/13/21 10:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think this will get the most responses in this forum, but if the mods feel it should go into another part of the forum I am cool with that.
Let me start with rather you grow gourmets, medicinal, or actives this really applies to all forms of cultivation. Like the quote in the topic says why do I/you always get dragged back into it lol. I think I am done then shit starts right back up every time.
What I find most fascinating about this is every time I feel I am out people and restaurants want my product. Soon as you grow it and call those people you can't find them anywhere lol. It is like there was a murder in the hood and everyone scattered these fools disappear. I think this is most fascinating if you got stock no one is around you got no stock and everyone is calling.
I sometime feels like mushrooms farmers are some of the most under appreciated people in the world. I don't care again if your doing actives, meds, or gourmets these things have something to give you. There are for sure real health benefits to mushrooms just big pharma can't copyright a mushroom. I mean look at it and I maybe be well under estimating the numbers but take each country on its own. How many mushrooms farmers really are out there like in the US? I mean really what less then 500 growers supply the whole country if even that many.
I want to hear your thoughts please I mean am I just being crazy, or does this happen to everyone that grows. I also know this may not be written very well, but I have bi-polar give me a break.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: kanemush]
#27467554 - 09/14/21 01:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kanemush said: There are for sure real health benefits to mushrooms just big pharma can't copyright a mushroom.
fungi can be copyrighted. Spoppo and allerpo are two sporeless oyster strains that are copyrighted. The problem is that it's difficult to enforce the copyright since mycelium can be easily copied from a fruiting body. The protection of strains is under the UPOV system, same as used for plants.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: Haywire]
#27467847 - 09/14/21 09:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kanemush said: There are for sure real health benefits to mushrooms just big pharma can't copyright a mushroom.
fungi can be copyrighted. Spoppo and allerpo are two sporeless oyster strains that are copyrighted. The problem is that it's difficult to enforce the copyright since mycelium can be easily copied from a fruiting body. The protection of strains is under the UPOV system, same as used for plants.
awesome I never knew this thanks for the information. Is this why some companies you buy gourmet kits from say you cannot sell them?
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: Haywire]
#27467887 - 09/14/21 10:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not copyright. Natural living organisms can't be copyrighted (copywritten?), only human-made works can be. It's CPV restrictions, which forbid commercialization of the cultivar within the EU for 25-30 years. It's the same type of bullshit that makes it so you can't make cheese following the exact provolone process and sell it as provolone unless you made it in a specific region in Italy.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27468646 - 09/14/21 08:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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well ok sticking to my post how do you feel about how mushroom farmers are under appreciated?
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: kanemush]
#27468684 - 09/14/21 09:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, mushrooms have a very limited shelf life and are very low in calories. Simply put, you're never going to be able to feed a population on mushrooms As far as the psychoactive ones, mushrooms are always going to be less valued than, say, acid. The trip is shorter, it's less enjoyable (subjective, I know, but in general this is true), and nausea is a common side-effect.
Mushrooms occupy kind of a weird niche, and I don't see that changing. Antibiotics are probably the one exception, and Penicillium is not a mushroom.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27468690 - 09/14/21 09:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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InsultingLizard said: Well, mushrooms have a very limited shelf life and are very low in calories. Simply put, you're never going to be able to feed a population on mushrooms As far as the psychoactive ones, mushrooms are always going to be less valued than, say, acid. The trip is shorter, it's less enjoyable (subjective, I know, but in general this is true), and nausea is a common side-effect.
Mushrooms occupy kind of a weird niche, and I don't see that changing. Antibiotics are probably the one exception, and Penicillium is not a mushroom.
Idk if you could feed a population solely on fungi and mush but itd certainly be a huge boost
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: Ashtray161]
#27468695 - 09/14/21 09:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you could do it on waste or inedible matter and without spending so much energy it's no longer worth it, sure. The way we grow cubes for example would be wasteful, but obviously we're not trying to produce food.
What would be great would be a fungus that produced literally meaty fruits. As in, made of meat. That would be way more efficient than cattle farming.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27468703 - 09/14/21 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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its just the area where you live. in asian countries they eat so much mushroom. americans just dont know how to incorporate it into their diet. and the fact that gourmet are so expensive here. i think at the farmers market theres a guy selling them for $9-12 a lb.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: Ora]
#27468858 - 09/15/21 02:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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let me ask you out there oyster, lions mane and such gourmets I hear 10 per lb is pretty normal? Remember I am talking all levels of cultivation just not actives.
Yes if they legalized mushrooms like a lot of states have done marijuana the demand will never be that high there is something that scares people about the actives. I find it very interesting people will pop a tab of cid and pills in there mouth easily with noway to really know what else is in there. You pop a mushroom in there face they say cool and run away lol. I mean mush cult out there does a ego death scare people that much? The upset I can dig, but then again the same people will drink all night and bitch the next morning about how they feel and do it all over again.
I might just be thinking to much but this is the best site to talk about this stuff on.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: kanemush]
#27468862 - 09/15/21 02:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need to go to the hungry people. People buy food (especially gourmet mushrooms which might be considered 'exotic' here) based on their stomachs and their boredom. At a farmer's market people are in the right mindset to spend large amounts. I read about a gourmet farmer who almost felt bad about how much they could charge people at farmers markets, and yet they said even at those high prices people still thanked them for the chance to pay it. That's the kind of customer you want.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27468865 - 09/15/21 02:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: You need to go to the hungry people. People buy food (especially gourmet mushrooms which might be considered 'exotic' here) based on their stomachs and their boredom. At a farmer's market people are in the right mindset to spend large amounts. I read about a gourmet farmer who almost felt bad about how much they could charge people at farmers markets, and yet they said even at those high prices people still thanked them for the chance to pay it. That's the kind of customer you want.
bravo great insight thank you lets keep this going I want to hear your thoughts.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: kanemush]
#27468914 - 09/15/21 04:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bravo great insight thank you lets keep this going I want to hear your thoughts.
Ha hard for me to tell if you're being sarcastic or not since I didn't think there was anything too great about my comment. If it's genuine, thanks. Most of the gourmet farmers I've heard of with success start off at small venues like farmer's markets. How else could they establish a reputation for their product if people can't have it regularly? And then starting off with small sales eventually word spreads and they can make deals with larger places (supermarkets, restaurants etc).
I do have two other suggestions. The first would be, if you can afford it give a free sample to all those people who asked you for mushrooms before. Give them a taste and get them thinking about it, if they truly love mushrooms it might ignite the craving in them and cause them to come back to you ready to pay. If they don't come back then it saves you having to ask them again since you did everything you could to try and get their business. It seems like part of your problem is an inconsistent supply, people can't be customers if they don't know whether or not you'll have any. Perhaps it'd be good to always have a few on hand, at least some dried, so that people can know what your mushrooms are like should they ask about them.
The second suggestion would be, I've seen a few gourmet sellers branch off into selling cultivation supplies. They usually sell pre-colonized fruiting bags so that people can grow their own mushrooms, they also sometimes sell sterilized bags without anything inoculated into it. Some people who don't want to bother with sterilization when growing their mushrooms might be interested in buying that. You could potentially sell those at a farmer's market as well. There's a subset of people who might want to grow mushrooms but do not have interest in learning the finer points.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: kanemush] 1
#27468982 - 09/15/21 06:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kanemush said: well ok sticking to my post how do you feel about how mushroom farmers are under appreciated?
It's sad but changing daily. I was chased out of a Chinese vegan store when I offered them free oysters as testers. Another store told me I was going to make everyone high, I just looked at them confused and said they are oyster mushrooms.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27468987 - 09/15/21 06:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bravo great insight thank you lets keep this going I want to hear your thoughts.
Ha hard for me to tell if you're being sarcastic or not since I didn't think there was anything too great about my comment. If it's genuine, thanks. Most of the gourmet farmers I've heard of with success start off at small venues like farmer's markets. How else could they establish a reputation for their product if people can't have it regularly? And then starting off with small sales eventually word spreads and they can make deals with larger places (supermarkets, restaurants etc).
I do have two other suggestions. The first would be, if you can afford it give a free sample to all those people who asked you for mushrooms before. Give them a taste and get them thinking about it, if they truly love mushrooms it might ignite the craving in them and cause them to come back to you ready to pay. If they don't come back then it saves you having to ask them again since you did everything you could to try and get their business. It seems like part of your problem is an inconsistent supply, people can't be customers if they don't know whether or not you'll have any. Perhaps it'd be good to always have a few on hand, at least some dried, so that people can know what your mushrooms are like should they ask about them.
The second suggestion would be, I've seen a few gourmet sellers branch off into selling cultivation supplies. They usually sell pre-colonized fruiting bags so that people can grow their own mushrooms, they also sometimes sell sterilized bags without anything inoculated into it. Some people who don't want to bother with sterilization when growing their mushrooms might be interested in buying that. You could potentially sell those at a farmer's market as well. There's a subset of people who might want to grow mushrooms but do not have interest in learning the finer points.
nope I was not being sarcastic I appreciate your feedback very much and thank you for the added comment. I want to know what people are doing so thought I would ask. I always hear farmers market that seems to be the most logical way to get into the local market. Word of mouth is proven to be more powerful sometimes then advertising dollars.
I like the idea of giving samples might as well if your going to try and push a product. I think you hit it on the nail somewhat I think most people have no access or never have thought to add mushrooms to dishes in the usa. Simple fact is most people have the basic options in usa portobello button mushrooms and stuff. I have never personally seen oysters or lion manes and such at grocery store especially here. Also I see a lot people just eat them straight from the store they don't even saute or try to mix them in there food. I think this gives a bad impression I mean unless you just like the taste of earth in your mouth you have to cook those babies.
I also know this through friends and several people I have talked to where there family came from Germany that they use to pick mushrooms all the time. It seems to be a common thing from what I hear for the German culture to pick mushrooms. Talking more with my friends and people in general several of there grandparents from Germany state they hate mushrooms because during the war that's about all they could find to eat, but they also don't get or like tattoos because of the camps. I know personally from my Grandma who was German origin also she use to pick mushrooms all the times when we where kids in the usa. Sad to says shes no longer with us so I was never able to ask her what kind are these and how do you know there safe. I know when I first tasted mushrooms I hated them to so unfortunately I missed out asking her more about them.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27468989 - 09/15/21 06:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kanemush said: well ok sticking to my post how do you feel about how mushroom farmers are under appreciated?
It's sad but changing daily. I was chased out of a Chinese vegan store when I offered them free oysters as testers. Another store told me I was going to make everyone high, I just looked at them confused and said they are oyster mushrooms.
wow seriously?
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: kanemush]
#27469172 - 09/15/21 10:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How many edible mushrooms do you think the average consumer can name off the top of their head? How many are Agaricus?
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27469207 - 09/15/21 10:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kanemush said: well ok sticking to my post how do you feel about how mushroom farmers are under appreciated?
It's sad but changing daily. I was chased out of a Chinese vegan store when I offered them free oysters as testers. Another store told me I was going to make everyone high, I just looked at them confused and said they are oyster mushrooms.
That's hilarious. Where are these growers going around offering free shrooms as if they were edible mushrooms? I want to meet them. What's even more bizarre to me is that if I knew nothing about mushrooms and I suspected the person giving me one is being malicious, I'd think they're trying to poison me, not that they're giving me psychedelics.
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: InsultingLizard]
#27469251 - 09/15/21 11:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably gave them flashbacks of a bad experience
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Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" Michael Corleone [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27469281 - 09/15/21 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kanemush said: well ok sticking to my post how do you feel about how mushroom farmers are under appreciated?
It's sad but changing daily. I was chased out of a Chinese vegan store when I offered them free oysters as testers. Another store told me I was going to make everyone high, I just looked at them confused and said they are oyster mushrooms.

Must be tough down yonder.
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CreonAntigone said: You need to go to the hungry people. People buy food (especially gourmet mushrooms which might be considered 'exotic' here) based on their stomachs and their boredom. At a farmer's market people are in the right mindset to spend large amounts. I read about a gourmet farmer who almost felt bad about how much they could charge people at farmers markets, and yet they said even at those high prices people still thanked them for the chance to pay it. That's the kind of customer you want.
I concur. Mushrooms are niche, sell to your niche. Farmers markets are full of people ready to lay down good cash for quality produce, for sure.
Actives are obviously niche, and equally so somewhat universal. Everyone could use the health, but not everyone is gonna buy it all the time. In a hypothetical legal market, depending on scheduling, the potential is there for pharmaceutical feedstock at the very least.
People grow poppies, people will grow mush. Some gets minimally processed and some is heavily modified and converted. Whether or not we get OTC or freedom of personal production is yet to be determined, but someone will definitely get to grow the medicine.
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