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Drying fruit cracker dry?
    #27465338 - 09/12/21 10:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I use a dehydrator to dry the fruit until cracker dry and then I store them in a mason jar with a desiccant. I find at times that a day later I open the jar and they are soft again. Is this normal or am I not doing something right?

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27465350 - 09/12/21 10:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

are your desiccants dry? i had cracker dry ones then put an old desiccant in, and they went spongy the next day.

if you have a 5g desiccant, it should weight like 5.2g.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27465361 - 09/12/21 10:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That’s exactly what I do and all my mushrooms remain cracker dry. Sounds like you’ve got a leaky jar seal, or a depleted desiccant pack, or both.

If I were you I’d first check the rim of the jar for chips or cracks that are letting air seep in, then try a brand new lid and brand new desiccant pack. I might even run the mushrooms through the dehydrator again to get back to cracker dry before the rest of the repackaging.

Should be easy to fix this problem. Good luck!

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: half.fast] * 1
    #27465369 - 09/12/21 10:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you can dehydrate your desiccant packs in the dehydrator also. mine went from 12.4g to 10.5g or so. thats how i knew it was the desiccants.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: half.fast] * 2
    #27465371 - 09/12/21 10:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you don't dry sufficiently in the first place this will happen. The outside dries but inner moisture will then wick back out to the rest of the fruit. 24 hours at 160+ if you aren't already.


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Smartattack] * 1
    #27465376 - 09/12/21 10:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dry cubes for at least 24 hours, mushboy covered this well in this post


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: half.fast]
    #27465399 - 09/12/21 11:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds like you’ve got a leaky jar seal, or a depleted desiccant pack, or both.




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assuming the fruits are indeed cracker dry all the way

I'm keeping cracker dry shrooms in the fridge inside good quality ziplock bags and they have stayed cracker dry for about one year. The problem is that the fridge is over 30% full with just cubensis lmao.


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Ora]
    #27465618 - 09/12/21 01:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Mine are 10g desiccants (these). I just weighted them and they are about 12.65. Company says to refresh them when they are 13-14g. I think I will try using the dehydrator for this as someone here pointed out!

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: half.fast]
    #27465625 - 09/12/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt it is due to leaky jar as these are glass mason jars and a number of different ones with same result.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Ora]
    #27465628 - 09/12/21 01:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the tip. It says oven only but I think they are just trying to rule out using a microwave for this. I will certainly be trying out the dehydrator for this.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27465634 - 09/12/21 01:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

OMG!
I was doing 5-6 hours at 160. They would feel hard and dry and I was even afraid that I was overdoing it hurting potency. I guess I need to go much longer.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27465643 - 09/12/21 01:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27465692 - 09/12/21 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

srry if this is sort of a tangent but i dont think it warrants its own thread and we are here talking about drying...

ive seen youtubes of ppl baking epsom salt and using it as desiccant. does that work or is it just youtube being youtube


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27465746 - 09/12/21 03:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I can't speak for the Epsom salts but if your looking at diy desiccant bags. I use kitty litter folded up into a cushion cover and put it in a Tupperware container. Works very well to keep moisture at bay.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Markamello]
    #27465797 - 09/12/21 03:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If I put it in jar/bag before it cooled down totally could that cause it to go soft in a day?

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27465802 - 09/12/21 03:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Naa, not if it's already dry. But yours probably weren't since you only did 6hrs. Your desiccant being over 10g proves this. I got the same ones and they weight like 10.3 when dry.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27465829 - 09/12/21 04:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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OMG!
I was doing 5-6 hours at 160. They would feel hard and dry and I was even afraid that I was overdoing it hurting potency. I guess I need to go much longer.




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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27465886 - 09/12/21 05:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I tried it with my very first batch as an alternative to a dehydrator and it didn't work at all. Maybe it would work if you completely bury the mushrooms in the crystals.

I'm confident it would work as a reusable alternative to silica gel. The chemistry checks out. Whether it would be better than silica gel, though, that's difficult to say.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: InsultingLizard] * 2
    #27465914 - 09/12/21 05:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If there was a #2 item in the hobby for things to Buy and a PC was #1, IMO a dehydrator that is enough for your needs should be #2. The small expense of buying it before you need it is just extra incentive for getting to the point where you do need it.


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27465925 - 09/12/21 05:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27465930 - 09/12/21 05:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cracker dry doesn’t mean the cap turns to dust and it doesn’t mean the thin part of the stem turns to dust or the thick base turns to dust, it means as much water as possible has been driven from all parts of the mushroom. 24 hours of drying at 160-170 degrees won’t damage the mushrooms, it will preserve them.
Moisture will allow more enzymatic activity and degradation of the actives you’re trying to preserve.  You can’t stop degradation but why wouldn’t you do all you can to slow it down?

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27465977 - 09/12/21 06:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

so after 30 hours in the dehydrator what %dry vs wet are you getting?

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27466000 - 09/12/21 07:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A few hours in the dehydrator and it came down to 10.44!!

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27466005 - 09/12/21 07:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

absolutely. my dehydrator is my homeboy. i was asking about epsom salt more as an alternative to silica packs - keeping my crackers crackin


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27466020 - 09/12/21 07:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is the dehydrator I am using. If the fruits are not very thick (cause not much room between shelves) I can do about 2k at once but having it so full does at time.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27466047 - 09/12/21 07:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

when you rub a stem between your fingers, if its a thin stem itll break apart pretty easily into almost dust/fibery dust. if you got a meaty stem, when you break it apart and take some of that fluff in the center of the stem then rub it together it should kind of disintegrate into light powdery fluff. if it balls up its probably not totally dry.

you can test for dryness by either taking a piece out, weighing it, then drying for an extra 2hrs to see if the weight changed any. or if you think its pretty dry you can put it in jars with a desiccant, then weigh the desiccant in a day or two to see if it changed weight.

i just got a pack of 5g desiccants in today but they all weigh 6g each which is weird since my 10g desiccants weigh 10.6g or so.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Ora]
    #27466279 - 09/13/21 12:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its funny to me how many people are worried about "over drying mushrooms because they will lose potency" when the reality is the exact opposite. The presence of water is what allows for psilocybin to degrade. DRY THEM FUCKERS like Ash said


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: The Tao]
    #27466333 - 09/13/21 01:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Cracker dry doesn’t mean the cap turns to dust and it doesn’t mean the thin part of the stem turns to dust or the thick base turns to dust, it means as much water as possible has been driven from all parts of the mushroom. 24 hours of drying at 160-170 degrees won’t damage the mushrooms, it will preserve them.
Moisture will allow more enzymatic activity and degradation of the actives you’re trying to preserve.  You can’t stop degradation but why wouldn’t you do all you can to slow it down?




I mean, cracker dry means just that, cracker dry. They should snap if bent at all. If theyre bendy they need to dry for longer. 24hrs @ 140-160 is fine thou like you said. But if you apply enough pressure to a cracker dry mushroom they will turn to dust, its happened it me more than once lol


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27467121 - 09/13/21 05:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Cracker dry doesn’t mean the cap turns to dust and it doesn’t mean the thin part of the stem turns to dust or the thick base turns to dust, it means as much water as possible has been driven from all parts of the mushroom. 24 hours of drying at 160-170 degrees won’t damage the mushrooms, it will preserve them.
Moisture will allow more enzymatic activity and degradation of the actives you’re trying to preserve.  You can’t stop degradation but why wouldn’t you do all you can to slow it down?




I mean, cracker dry means just that, cracker dry. They should snap if bent at all. If theyre bendy they need to dry for longer. 24hrs @ 140-160 is fine thou like you said. But if you apply enough pressure to a cracker dry mushroom they will turn to dust, its happened it me more than once lol




And if you put “cracker dry” mushrooms in a jar and they bend a week later were they cracker dry when you put them in?

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: The Tao]
    #27467127 - 09/13/21 05:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

its all the same aint it?

cracker dry --> snaps when bent --> ashes to ashes, dust to dust --> completely desiccated  --> doesnt bend a week later --> cracker dry.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: The Tao]
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Cracker dry doesn’t mean the cap turns to dust and it doesn’t mean the thin part of the stem turns to dust or the thick base turns to dust, it means as much water as possible has been driven from all parts of the mushroom. 24 hours of drying at 160-170 degrees won’t damage the mushrooms, it will preserve them.
Moisture will allow more enzymatic activity and degradation of the actives you’re trying to preserve.  You can’t stop degradation but why wouldn’t you do all you can to slow it down?




I mean, cracker dry means just that, cracker dry. They should snap if bent at all. If theyre bendy they need to dry for longer. 24hrs @ 140-160 is fine thou like you said. But if you apply enough pressure to a cracker dry mushroom they will turn to dust, its happened it me more than once lol




And if you put “cracker dry” mushrooms in a jar and they bend a week later were they cracker dry when you put them in?




What does that have to do w anything?

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: pitriot]
    #27467398 - 09/13/21 09:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Whats your ambient humidity in your room? How filled is the jar you put the shrooms in?

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    #27467534 - 09/14/21 12:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Theres a hectic amount of chat here for probably the most simple aspect of cult. 24hrs at maximum heat in the dehydrator. Simple.

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I find 1,440 minutes works best

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    #27467559 - 09/14/21 01:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have been using anhydrous magnesium sulphate (Epsom salt) with success for a long time. The baking process can be a litte messy and tricky. It is best to gradually increase the baking temperature to prevent caking of the Epsom salt turning it rock hard.
I bake some maybe once a year and store it in glass jars and make dehydrating packets by wrapping about a table spoon of the stuff in a coffee filter. It seems to have a tremedous ability to absorb moisture.

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Cracker dry doesn’t mean the cap turns to dust and it doesn’t mean the thin part of the stem turns to dust or the thick base turns to dust, it means as much water as possible has been driven from all parts of the mushroom. 24 hours of drying at 160-170 degrees won’t damage the mushrooms, it will preserve them.
Moisture will allow more enzymatic activity and degradation of the actives you’re trying to preserve.  You can’t stop degradation but why wouldn’t you do all you can to slow it down?




I mean, cracker dry means just that, cracker dry. They should snap if bent at all. If theyre bendy they need to dry for longer. 24hrs @ 140-160 is fine thou like you said. But if you apply enough pressure to a cracker dry mushroom they will turn to dust, its happened it me more than once lol




And if you put “cracker dry” mushrooms in a jar and they bend a week later were they cracker dry when you put them in?




What does that have to do w anything?

Why does everyone wanna argue here lately over simple shit?




My point is people use cracker dry to define what they consider cracker dry. That makes it an opinion. If you couldn’t use cracker dry to define your properly dried mushrooms how would you describe a properly dried mushroom? If I dry for 24 hours at 160 I’m pretty certain the moisture is gone.
The way the term cracker dry is used is a misnomer. Are the terms strains and varieties synonymous? Are the terms arguing and discussing?

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My point is people use cracker dry to define what they consider cracker dry. That makes it an opinion.



"Cracker-dry" is a metaphorical description for the state of containing no water whatsoever, or as little water as is physically possible. The term itself doesn't define anything. No one is going around comparing the water content of mushrooms to that of their favorite crackers.

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    #27468435 - 09/14/21 05:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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My point is people use cracker dry to define what they consider cracker dry. That makes it an opinion.



"Cracker-dry" is a metaphorical description for the state of containing no water whatsoever, or as little water as is physically possible. The term itself doesn't define anything. No one is going around comparing the water content of mushrooms to that of their favorite crackers.





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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27468442 - 09/14/21 05:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

completely dried to be devoid of water with a moisture level of absolute zero being dehydrated until desiccated that snaps like a cracker and turns into dust as a cracker would.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: The Tao]
    #27468631 - 09/14/21 08:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Cracker dry doesn’t mean the cap turns to dust and it doesn’t mean the thin part of the stem turns to dust or the thick base turns to dust, it means as much water as possible has been driven from all parts of the mushroom. 24 hours of drying at 160-170 degrees won’t damage the mushrooms, it will preserve them.
Moisture will allow more enzymatic activity and degradation of the actives you’re trying to preserve.  You can’t stop degradation but why wouldn’t you do all you can to slow it down?




I mean, cracker dry means just that, cracker dry. They should snap if bent at all. If theyre bendy they need to dry for longer. 24hrs @ 140-160 is fine thou like you said. But if you apply enough pressure to a cracker dry mushroom they will turn to dust, its happened it me more than once lol




And if you put “cracker dry” mushrooms in a jar and they bend a week later were they cracker dry when you put them in?




What does that have to do w anything?

Why does everyone wanna argue here lately over simple shit?




My point is people use cracker dry to define what they consider cracker dry. That makes it an opinion. If you couldn’t use cracker dry to define your properly dried mushrooms how would you describe a properly dried mushroom? If I dry for 24 hours at 160 I’m pretty certain the moisture is gone.
The way the term cracker dry is used is a misnomer. Are the terms strains and varieties synonymous? Are the terms arguing and discussing?




Oh I getcha now. Yea I agree w u there 100%. Always dry for 24hrz at high rather than go off how they feel


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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27468667 - 09/14/21 08:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I appreciate that. I’ve obviously done a poor job of trying to make my point to others. You should run away from me now. I’ll be fine.

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Re: Drying fruit cracker dry? [Re: The Tao]
    #27468670 - 09/14/21 09:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I appreciate that. I’ve obviously done a poor job of trying to make my point to others. You should run away from me now. I’ll be fine.




I relate friend. Everyone here always thinks im either super angry or being a dick because I apparently cannot communicate like a human. I need to let the mothership know I need better training xP


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