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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27457075 - 09/05/21 12:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

but ferdinando, you don't need to worry too much now about age related degeneration like us old geezers. you are still young!
enjoy all the fruits of the garden unless you are getting way too fat!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27457930 - 09/06/21 06:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you sure your short term memory is failing? ...

usually short term memory goes last.

eat sardines is my advice on all things, in extra virgin olive oil if at all possible, and skip the apple pie except on birthdays and high holidays that permit it.
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Well, a lot of long term memories are gone as well but those aren't usually as relevant. Most of what I seem to be experiencing now is a slowness to form short term memories. I don't think it's the case that they are forming and being lost, but that they aren't forming at all. If I don't write it down, or leave it in a familiar place where I will find it, much of the time it's gone.

I just read a little on sardines and anchovies for brain health. Less bioaccumulation of toxins and just as much Omega 3. I shall buy some today. Thank you.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27457936 - 09/06/21 06:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

GINKO BILOBA GIVEAWAY

Although this is not the marketplace thread, I wanted to post this off-topic comment here first, to benefit those of you who care about brain health. Seems if I post "free" in the marketplace a lot of people will take it just because it is free, whether or not they are interested in brain supplements. Plus its discriminational preference for people who like to talk about consciousness. This is my first harvest and I have more than enough to share.

Please PM me a privnote with your address and I will mail you fresh bi-lobial ginko leaves. If you want more than I can stuff in a Fedex-sized envelope you can send me some money for shipping and have as much as you want. The fruit is the part with toxins, however the leaves are safe for grinding or extraction with vodka in the blender. I will be harvesting today.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson] * 1
    #27457973 - 09/06/21 07:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha,
I think you don't have short term memory loss, you could have trouble making new memory, but maybe just have other things distracting you.

short term memory is not really memory (it's a misnomer), it is the potential memory that is more easily formed by the recent activation of cortical cells. It's the recent path your consciousness has walked without any association, just all the wake and froth.

long term memory is a misnomer it should just be called memory.

short term memory became a thing in psychology when it was discovered that things that happened in the recent past (5 minutes) tend to be incorporated into training of dogs more easily than fresh things. After 5 minutes - not so much...

It has never been deeply analyzed. but a wonderful movie was made about it called "memento".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_(film)


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27459012 - 09/07/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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hahaha,
I think you don't have short term memory loss, you could have trouble making new memory, but maybe just have other things distracting you.





Well, if I don't have short term memory loss then my troubles could be environmental. Now that I did patch things up with the wife, and she is small and cute, but that woman snores like she is calling the hogs. Maybe my memory problems have just been due to lower quality (and fewer hours of) sleep. So therefore,... wait, what was I saying?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27459051 - 09/07/21 09:38 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

take comfort that many families now include a domestic pig or two


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27459778 - 09/07/21 08:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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take comfort that many families now include a domestic pig or two




https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/obesity-rates-continue-to-rise-among-adults-in-the-us.html


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27459970 - 09/08/21 02:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27460806 - 09/08/21 06:08 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

LOL yeah I knew what you meant.

Hey check out this video on brain scans. It shows brain activity in a variety of people with different diagnoses.



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J.B.S. Haldane

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27460822 - 09/08/21 06:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

And this one is pretty good too. Same guy:



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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27460867 - 09/08/21 06:56 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

can you summarize what he is on about besides selling books? and making a fortune through his treatment centers.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27461041 - 09/08/21 09:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

He recommends taking ginko biloba and showed a lot of brain scans of people that take it and those who don't. But alas, evidently that is in a different video. He has a regimen of healthy foods and activities that are supposed to be good for brain health. I'm going to look into it more and try it out. (I am, ahem, somewhat thrifty and economical and will probably not buy his books!)

Incidentally, the wife did sleep in the other room last night and I did get better sleep, and was able to think much more clearly and remember basic things I was doing throughout the day. Probably going to have to have a tough talk with her.

I wouldn't mind having a miniature pig if I could get a miniature chicken and a miniature goat to go with them and complete the set. Then they could walk around together in my back yard.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson] * 1
    #27461210 - 09/09/21 03:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

so, hey folks, I am a registered psychiatrist, and I can make you buy ginko balboa like nobody's business.

ear plugs, save your marriage, just eat more acid.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27461744 - 09/09/21 12:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

In the video, he shows a lot of interesting brain scans. Examples that allow one to visualize how neural activity is affected by conditions such as Alzheimers, mild brain injuries, stroke, brain cysts, smoke inhalation, obesity, and very bad snoring, versus the neural activity of a healthy brain.

He discussed various ways that personality is affected by these conditions. I thought it seemed relevant to a discussion on the mechanisms of consciousness because one's consciousness is completely dependent upon the brain's health, as an organ made of tissue.

I find it fascinating that someone can be mean and violent due to a brain cyst. As a logical person, I tend to think that my temperment is a result of my decisions, and may have at least something to do with my desire to do good. Its an odd, uneasy feeling to think that I could be a violent person if I had a brain cyst in the right spot.

Its hard to comprehend that my consciousness and personality, my perception of the whole world,... my entire universe... all of these are so utterly dependent upon that small space between my ears.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27461783 - 09/09/21 12:56 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

a pimple on one's amygdala would certainly get one's HPA amped up.

Yes the regions of the brain that have been activated recently is of interest in observing the constellation of neurons that embody short term memory - that is assuming the scans take more than a few seconds to resolve,
but if they are very fast scans (resolving temporal local changes at 1/6th of a second or less) then they can show engram contents, basically (depending on fineness of resolution grain) the set of neurons that make up the frame of memory of the moment.
Without subjecting myself to the video, he would be using the state of the art scanning capability which is pretty crude - capable of showing large pieces of tissue that have metabolic activity over the duration of the scan.

Yes that is also interesting. Of course, and distracting, but it does not add much new to the story that neuroanatomists - Santiago Ramón y Cajal in particular, were aware of 100 years ago.

https://qz.com/1276040/these-lush-100-year-old-drawings-of-the-brain-are-still-used-by-medical-students/






here is one of his Pyramidal neuron illustrations - its wide branching is the basis of interconnecting active cortical neurons that are contacted in a moment of time:



His work in a general way is more valuable than nearly any other single contribution to neuroscience since his day.

it is a whole different mindset I would say.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27462383 - 09/09/21 08:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So the dependence on the brain as a percentage based on the spirituality of the person..

The difference between a materialistic mindset which relies on brainchemistry to think and act..

Vs the spiritual person who relies more on abstract spirit and freewill is less dependant on biological solutions.. but makes them work for him/her.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27462721 - 09/10/21 07:30 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Without subjecting myself to the video,...




LOL OK. Well how about this'n



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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27462728 - 09/10/21 07:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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So the dependence on the brain as a percentage based on the spirituality of the person..

The difference between a materialistic mindset which relies on brainchemistry to think and act..

Vs the spiritual person who relies more on abstract spirit and freewill is less dependant on biological solutions.. but makes them work for him/her.




But if even you have a brain cyst, it can cause severe changes to your personality, despite your spiritual intentions. Certain brain changes can cause you to be very irritable, and even explosive.

So your spirit and your brain can be at odds. You can have a gentle spirit trapped in a very aggressive and irritably explosive brain, and it seems that the brain wins.

Some would say this is simply because there is nothing spiritual, only physical.

I believe that we are 100% physical, but I believe in a spiritual resurrection after death, in a new body, in different dimension. However, any talk about whether there is or is not a resurrection after death in a new dimension is (like talk of what caused the big bang) inherently religious (id est, not scientific) because it cannot be tested in repeatable experiments.

But that disclaimer being said, I think the reason it seems that a brain injury can always change mood and always trump a person's spiritual intent is because everything we are experiencing, thinking, and feeling is 100% physical... and 100% spiritual.

In the same way that a thing that grows in the grass can be 100% alive, 100% good, and 100% illegal.


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J.B.S. Haldane

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27462801 - 09/10/21 09:00 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

hendrix!!!!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27463050 - 09/10/21 12:24 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

consciousness is too rapid and subtle to be explained soley by neurological and biochemical processes.

have a body is energetically demanding.  what's the body's role in consciousness?  otherwise, why have a body at all?

human consciousness is an integral part of the human body's self-regulation.


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