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Monotub substrate help
    #27452322 - 09/01/21 01:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Up until now I have been doing things the simple way by inoculating an all-in-one grow bag. But this time around I want to start off by inoculating the grain and doing my own substrate in the monotub..

There are many different ways to start out so I was wondering what you guys have experienced using different types of Spawn bags..

*Rye Berries
*Whole oat
*Whole grain
*'better than rye' grain spawn (I put this one on the list because even though it is a grain it looks different than the whole oat and whole grain bags)

If anyone wants to add their preference of substrate mix feel free!

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Apotheoshrooms]
    #27452328 - 09/01/21 01:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

white/red millet is best i think. very easy to see contams and spreads fast because its so small. prep for it is super easy also if you look at how p9 does it. only downside its a bit more expensive depending on what you can get locally.

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Ora]
    #27452396 - 09/01/21 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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white/red millet is best i think. very easy to see contams and spreads fast because its so small. prep for it is super easy also if you look at how p9 does it. only downside its a bit more expensive depending on what you can get locally.




Millet is quite good and easy, especially if you use this tek.

Also, are you speaking of buying pre sterilized grain spawn and inoculating grains? You might not be very successful taking spores straight to grain, your best bet would be to learn agar and go from that to grains in jars that you've prepared yourself.


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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Carmodycaramel]
    #27452416 - 09/01/21 03:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

have you tried soaking the millet then draining it for 20 min then putting into jars and pc?

any difference than the cracks no prep method?

if it were me id make 5 germ plates with the syringe and use the rest of the syringe for straight to grain to get some fruits while you wait for clean agar.

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Carmodycaramel]
    #27452871 - 09/01/21 10:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I might have to just stick to all in one grow bags for now.. I have a full-time job and four kids from age 2-7 lol I honestly don't know if I could find the time to do all my own grain sterilizing, agar, and everything that goes into it.. why do you say buying a pre sterilized spawn bag might not work very well? Because you're right that's what I was thinking of, doing the pre sterilized spawn bag then mixing it with the necessary substrates in a monotub..

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Apotheoshrooms]
    #27452979 - 09/02/21 12:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your subject is asking for substrate help, but the thread is about grains?!  Which grain doesn't matter as long as the culture growing on it is CLEAN.  Use coco or coco/verm for your substrate.

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why do you say buying a pre sterilized spawn bag might not work very well? Because you're right that's what I was thinking of, doing the pre sterilized spawn bag then mixing it with the necessary substrates in a monotub..




Because it will mean that you are using spores directly to grain which is a bad idea as well as using grain that you didn't prep.  Both are invitations for issues.

ALL spore syringes are inherently dirty to some extent no matter how 'sterile' the water is that was used to suspend the dirty ass spores.  When you go directly to grains, any contams in the syringe will also expand - and likely faster than the relatively weak mushroom mycelium.

Pre-made grain bags are often overly wet which allows bacteria to flourish.  You won't find many advocates of using them here due to all they issues they bring vs. just doing it yourself.  It's not like you're going to be using the PC 3 hours every night to make a hobby amount of spawn.

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: PBJ710]
    #27452997 - 09/02/21 12:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i mean he asked what was our preference of grain for spawn...

apotheoshrooms you probably just want to do PF tek then. you mix the substrate AND spawn together and put it in half pint jars, then you steam or pressure cook for an hour i think (never done it myself), then you take your syringe and inoculate it. when it colonizes the "puck" you pop it out and put it in a big tote where you can fit 10 of those things and voila done! just mist it every day and itll grow by itself!

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: PBJ710]
    #27453562 - 09/02/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're right my thread label did not fully encompass what I was asking..

But my post was asking the difference between all the different types of Spawn.. I have been using an all-in-one grow bag and I was just wondering if anybody had noticed differing results using a different kind of Spawn or if it doesn't matter at all.

And when I mentioned the substrate I was referring to the fact that I have read some threads where people say a 1:2 ratio is best others a 1:4 and it seems there are different ways they layer the substrate mix.

I can figure it out on my own I'm not asking somebody to hold my hand I was just curious if anybody had messed around with different ways of doing things and noticed a better result from a certain way

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Ora]
    #27453567 - 09/02/21 12:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

When I created the thread I was lumping the spawn into the substrate which I guess is technically not substrate LOL but yes I was curious about the different types of things you can use to spawn the mycelium. When I was doing some searching I had noticed some of the spawn bags were labeled as better than rye with a description saying it gives you a more robust and faster colonization.. I know a lot of times people just want to sell things and they write BS titles to make some profit so I was just curious as to what people's personal experiences were with the different types of grain..

But I appreciate your input I will have to look into the PF tek I don't think I have looked into that one yet

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Apotheoshrooms]
    #27453570 - 09/02/21 12:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

the more sub you use to grain may hold more risk for contamination, but higher yields because more water will be available. if your doing spore syringe injections it may be better to use slightly drier sub and not as high ratio. check out shaperdreamer's shoebox tek.

or people use PF tek, and then when the pucks are colonized, they crumble it into shoeboxes.

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Re: Monotub substrate help [Re: Ora]
    #27453573 - 09/02/21 12:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I completely understand now that makes a lot of sense once I get a few grows going I am going to start isolating the best fruits and transferring them to agar but for now I'm just using spores..

Thank you so much for the pointers I'm doing some research now

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