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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27451745 - 09/01/21 03:12 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27451826 - 09/01/21 05:52 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you really think that toddlers have mastered the art of engaging with their suppression effector?

The contextual inhibitions that empower us to be in control of the situations we find ourselves in.



Please remove the trump face, sudly, it is not constructive.

as to your comment,
a newborn can be observed exploring how it feels to move his hands before his face, with many random minor facial expressions. here he lays the groundwork of manual dexterity, raw familiarization of what natural moves exist.
discovering  how one's attention can be shifted is the same thing, a random process of familiarity.
mastery, however, is relative, undefinable, a matter for Olympic judges to discern perhaps.

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I'm a fan of this analogy:thumbup:

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So in summary, it seems to me that consciousness is not a unified process, that is equally distributed, so to speak, but is a complex of functions and narratives, that functions like the eye of a hurricane, to organize an organism, in a way that promotes survival,







in truth there are many different worlds of input and output, of sensation and perception, but in the brain tissues they are reduced to neuron activations that occur simultaneously allowing "what happens together to be wired together".

this association process is key to memory formation and perception that combine with sensation to form consciousness.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27452252 - 09/01/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So what is your conclusion RGV? Can AI become conscious?
I am not sure what your aim is.
It could be to explain how "it" arises.
Or it could be to explain what it is.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: laughingdog] * 2
    #27452366 - 09/01/21 02:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I have no conclusion, was I supposed to have a conclusion?

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About AI:
ai can be like a peripheral or pattern input vector to a conscious substrate, but it in itself, as currently engineered, is not conscious, it is a process running on a machine that is designed for high resolution memory, and low resolution life experience, and occasionally real world feedback and labor.

consciousness is a high resolution life experience blended with a cornucopia of low resolution memory.

human consciousness also includes a great deal of virtual experiencing, in imagination, cogitation, art creation, culture, and dreams.




My aim here, is to capture the essence of my delinquency in language.

maybe it is the hard question, the one about qualia,
maybe that is what I am speaking to,
maybe it is the shaman's bluff that I am speaking to?

I aim to use some of the language of psychology that pertains to consciousness with consistency, and with a high degree of biological plausibility.

In my opinion, much of the language of Freud and of psychology is great, but a good deal of it is not used consistently or in a way that clarifies issues.

Of course you could say that temperament is the question,
my temperament is not happy when the reason for any thing is god or the sub-conscious or astrology. I like to see how things connect, how they are articulated and move together.

for some other temperament that may be of no importance, they prefer the magic words and question no further, inshalla, if god wills...


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27452526 - 09/01/21 04:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Related to questions of consciousness, are these investigations, that could be considered relevant (ignoring both some interesting Buddhist views as well as considerations of biochemistry, madness, hypnosis, dreams, and psychedelics)

1)
"The  Turing test, originally called the imitation game by Alan Turing in 1950,[2] is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human."....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

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theory of mind

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=theory+of+mind%2C+by+children&t=hx&va=g&ia=web

3)
Elisa the computer therapist
a very peculiar & interesting story, especially as it plays out over time as regards both the inventor and some later users

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elisa+computer+therapist&t=hx&va=g&ia=web

4)
mirror test, sometimes called the mark test, seems surprisingly, if memory serves, that some birds...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mirror+test&t=hx&va=g&ia=web


5)
'Agency'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_%28psychology%29
and from the extensive bibliography
comes this complete article
6)
"Can a Self-Propelled Box Have a Goal?
Psychological Reasoning in 5-Month-Old Infants"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3351378/

7)
interface theory of consciousness
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=interface+theory+of+consciousness&t=hx&va=g&ia=web


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #27452609 - 09/01/21 05:51 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I am not sure exactly why you bring up these disparate concepts.

1) I have not been very interested in the Turing test, although I think Mr. Turing was an amazing cryptographer, genius mathematician, and unusual person.
In a vaguely related enterprise, I developed a conversational multimedia robot in the ‘90’s which had a stack of recently relevant reaction contexts which partly resembles short term memory, The project had an amusing quality – aside from being able to react to questions asked by voice (prerecorded video actors) in a way that was relevant in the recent past as well as the current interaction, it had a series of error recovery behaviors as well. It was best for telling you the time, and being a goof.
The system worked but was under funded and never went to market. Kind of like Alexa before the internet but also like a multimedia version of Eliza (#3).

2) Theory of mind is an interesting appellation for natural development of empathy and this is something that animals also exhibit.  This is not something that I feel is crucial in the understanding of what makes consciousness happen but it is a natural thing in life between creatures - which I am not focusing on here, while the name of it "theory of mind" pertains to what I am doing - the use of these words is not the same as what I am involved in.

theory of mind is more properly an effort to understand how individuals perceive other individuals. In my opinion the name is too dramatic, and kind of wrong.


3) Elisa the computer therapist
is the first program I ever studied in 1981 – it is just a key-word decision tree response automation. trivial.

4) the mirror test is an amusing thing, that may not be an important indicator of anything except to some people and some animals – we already know that dolphins and other animals who play with reflections, or use them in life, have intelligence, but so do the millions of birds that crash into the interrupted skies that they see reflected in skyscraper windows.

5) 'Agency' is an abstract notion that I think psychologists should discuss among themselves as long as they like.

6) "Can a Self-Propelled Box Have a Goal? Psychological Reasoning in 5-Month-Old Infants"
I agree that infants engage in physical reasoning: They attempt to predict and interpret the outcomes of physical events, and they love to explore how they also can affect those outcomes.

7) interface theory of consciousness?
I think that this is garbled but deals with the same questions I am dealing with in my effort to show that consciousness is the mashup of sensation + memory formation + perception, and that memory formation is a product of consciousness and sensation and perception.

The essence of what I am talking about is that facets of experience are being projected in sequences of pulses at the cerebral cortex from the thalamus,
this creates a wave energy movie of life that stimulates the hooking together of all activated cortical neurons in that frame of the movie.
When some of the same facets are later projected to the same set of neurons the rest of the  memory of the previous event is brought back to the conscious stream.

The wave activity in the cerebral cortex represents our body state and our mental contents as a continuously changing stream of consciousness.

I am interested in seeing how the tissues do that and the chart pretty much explains the questions I have about mind and consciousness, learning, memory, behavior etc.

Without the resonating fields [projected by the thalamus] (and the pyramidal neuron linkage of active cortical neurons) there could be no memory formation, without the memory there could be no perception, and without sensation and memory there would be nothing to perceive and nothing to perceive it as.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27452673 - 09/01/21 07:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I am not sure exactly why you bring up these disparate concepts.
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I agree that infants engage in physical reasoning: They attempt to predict and interpret the outcomes of physical events, and they love to explore how they also can affect those outcomes.

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The essence of what I am talking about is that facets of experience are being projected in sequences of pulses at the cerebral cortex from the thalamus,
this creates a wave energy movie of life that stimulates the hooking together of all activated cortical neurons in that frame of the movie.
When some of the same facets are later projected to the same set of neurons the rest of the  memory of the previous event is brought back to the conscious stream.

The wave activity in the cerebral cortex represents our body state and our mental contents as a continuously changing stream of consciousness.

I am interested in seeing how the tissues do that and the chart pretty much explains the questions I have about mind and consciousness, learning, memory, behavior etc.

Without the resonating fields [projected by the thalamus] (and the pyramidal neuron linkage of active cortical neurons) there could be no memory formation, without the memory there could be no perception, and without sensation and memory there would be nothing to perceive and nothing to perceive it as.




...If we disregard, those who imagine everything to be conscious, we are confining our discussion to people, and the human brain. In the case of humans, consciousness always occurs as a self or subject, both perceiving and remembering, and that which is perceived, which our grammar refers to as 'object' ; (as in: subject, verb, & object). Which seems to be an aspect you consider as well.
...Post Einstein, their is some sense that matter and energy are aspects of the same essence which can't be accurately defined as permanently one or the other.
...(In the case of light which is said to have momentum but not mass, it seems that this view can only make sense to mathematicians, who abandon words, in favor of numbers & equations).
...So it would seem to make sense to wonder, how precisely words can explain consciousness, and how exactly 'self' functions in relation to consciousness, and furthermore what the self is presumed to be, especially in relation to consciousness, as well as whether, either 'self' or 'consciousness" are stable entities, or separate entities.
...In the case of what appears to us as solid matter, we now know that around 90%  of matter, & atoms, is space, and that what keeps us from walking thru walls is not that either our bodies or walls are solid, but because of electromagnetic forces, of which we have no consciousness, and that further more solid stable matter is actually in motion due to both, heat energy, the nature of the electron clouds, and the motions of the earth, galaxy & so on.
.  The point being that the concepts we use to explain things, are only approximate generalities, that have only limited meanings within certain contexts.
.  As our perceptions are all very limited approximations, whose main function is a survival brief enough to allow genes to survive, for a generation; and the sense of self within a family & tribe, like wise serves a similar limited approximation, it would seem that consciousness being based on insubstantial temporary constellations & configurations of energy patterns, is itself likewise insubstantial and possibly abstract.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: laughingdog]
    #27452703 - 09/01/21 07:38 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I pretty much include all animals as creatures with some form of consciousness, and I look for evidence of structures that produce the same things as thalamus and cerebral cortex (to set up the field pattern and make them pulse a bit) and white matter (pyramidal neural branches) in the brain area to react to the pattern and join up the active neurons into an engram.
other arrangements might also work but this arrangement supports memory formation, some sensory inputs, and perception to connect the input to an output that can be automatic or learned.

my discussion about consciousness does not include rocks, air or vacuum, for now, and it is not much altered due to new questions about the universe time and gravity.

we do not know more than we do know, but it is a huge mistake to consider that all that we do not yet know is really the same thing. well it is similar in that we do not know it, but it is not a related question, consciousness is not a challenge to matter and energy, it is a system that rests on top of that fabric, like photosynthesis which requires chloroplasts, a significant biological structure.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27453072 - 09/02/21 02:24 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That's the thing though, we develop these processes over our lifetime and appear to have an almost exponential potential for utilising these internal processes.

We start off learning how to not fowl ourselves as toddlers, and by the time we're adults were capable of self control to the factor of developing a muscular physique or undertaking a PhD.

From my understanding there are inhibitory and excitory interferences central to activity from the hypothalamus.

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GABA is the primary inhibitory transmitter of the adult hypothalamus




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Also known as corticotropin-releasing factor, or CRH/CRF for short. CRH acts as a hormone and neurotransmitter and is released from the hypothalamus during the stress response.




Where would the balancing act of these two 'sub-systems' play a role?

Or, how do they fit?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: laughingdog]
    #27453076 - 09/02/21 02:27 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

In as kind a way as I can say, instead of throwing spaghetti at the wall, maybe eating it and telling us about the flavours you enjoyed would make this a more admirable dining experience :cheers:


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly] * 1
    #27453083 - 09/02/21 02:38 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

consciousness changes based on the location of the body and the state of the brain
meditation benefits the life the benefits pile up over the years it benefits the consciousness


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27453143 - 09/02/21 04:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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That's the thing though, we develop these processes over our lifetime and appear to have an almost exponential potential for utilising these internal processes.

We start off learning how to not fowl ourselves as toddlers, and by the time we're adults were capable of self control to the factor of developing a muscular physique or undertaking a PhD.

From my understanding there are inhibitory and excitory interferences central to activity from the hypothalamus.

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GABA is the primary inhibitory transmitter of the adult hypothalamus




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Also known as corticotropin-releasing factor, or CRH/CRF for short. CRH acts as a hormone and neurotransmitter and is released from the hypothalamus during the stress response.




Where would the balancing act of these two 'sub-systems' play a role?

Or, how do they fit?



great question!!!

as indicated, when a neuron from the thalamus sends a signal to a neuron in the cortex the cortical neuron sends the pulse right back (establishing a short series of feedback) while making an electrical field pulse in the cortical tissue around the cortical neuron. if the thalamus is suppressed the cortical neuron will not make the field nor send any signal back. Thus the field effect from the neuron is squelched and its effect on interference is stopped, as are the chances it will cause a pyramidal cell to fire, which would have initiated related associations (down stream perception).

the role GABA suppression neurons play is to suppress thalamic activity in a set of neurons eg. to suppress all hearing, or just to suppress a frequency range so you can hear speech better at a bar (that is if you have good hearing in the first place) or to suppress sensation from your body while playing a video game, or to suppress thoughts of catastrophe while driving in a hair pin turn.

it is finer control than turning off an entire sense, but not finer than turning off individual fingers of the hand, but internally you get to turn off traffic going to various lobes, and this can affect abstract thought, permitting you to think differently from the same premises, from the same perceptions yet with some suppressed allowing other feeds to expand their influence on consciousness.

suppression can be coordinated with timing in a sequence of mental or physical activity as athletes learn skills - or developers learn new programming languages etc. Also we use it to help focus on what we are doing a million times each day.

often we suppress input from parts of our body as a side effect of paying attention to some small detail while reading, driving, talking etc. This is probably because thinking is developed as an offshoot of sensory perception, and many mental forms still associate with body parts as well as other more abstract notions.

learning to suspend suppression is one of the main purposes of yoga body scans, because we are so suppressive normally that we tend to disconnect from our bodies or tense them up in strange ways to squeeze more precision in our thinking. It looks funny but it is true. weird.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27453150 - 09/02/21 04:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So sane people are on the level and insane people are not?


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    #27453236 - 09/02/21 06:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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So sane people are on the level and insane people are not?



this makes sense, but what can you do about it, really.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27453938 - 09/02/21 06:03 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Tune the fibers..

Detect how much a person is off level and respond with a cure potentially..


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27453949 - 09/02/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

what about consent?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27454154 - 09/02/21 08:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

The idea of being off the level could be a harm to society..

Therefore a reasonable level.. should be encouraged to the highest degree..

To save soneones life? Yes we should forcibly put a person on level..


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27454195 - 09/02/21 09:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

My primary cortical neurons need a little more repetition than most these days to do their job.

Speaking of which, I can't remember if I already said this or not, but bravo RGV. Your chart is a thesis-- of brevity, and weight. 

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.  A funny thing about consciousness is that it depends upon itself. Not to be conscious that one is conscious, is in a sense not to be conscious. This is an aspect of dreaming, where there is some consciousness, but it is, what we might call, a deluded consciousness, as the self in a dream, often does not correspond to what the self ordinarily takes itself to be.





I like that. But I don't think AI has anything remotely approaching the consciousness of a trilobite yet.

A trilobite has mobility and eyes needs some self awareness to be able to navigate around a rock, et cetera.

Yet again I saw a smelly drunken guy today who had probably not showered for at least a few weeks... and I (perhaps arrogantly) thought I was at least a few levels more conscious than he, and then after munching on a stone I was vividly conscious a level up again, having several insights unto myself.

Maybe conscious is just a way to say aware.

Seems that if consciousness is awareness then it could be quantified by someone more conscious than me.

As difficult as intelligence is to measure and quantify, I can't imagine trying to quantify sentience.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27454413 - 09/03/21 04:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

interesting that you say "aware",
I used to agree with that, 'that awareness is a measure of consciousness', but have come to consider that consciousness or being conscious is the potential of awareness, of sensation, of perception and thought.

being conscious engenders the capacity of bearing those and other mental forms, and, in bearing them, also enduring them, and in learning to bear them well, maybe with some dignity.

co-incident with buddhism consciousness is formless in itself, though the body provides the substrate of it through the brain and living integration.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27455057 - 09/03/21 03:44 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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interesting that you say "aware",
I used to agree with that, 'that awareness is a measure of consciousness', but have come to consider that consciousness or being conscious is the potential of awareness, of sensation, of perception and thought.





Differences in consciousness, awareness, and sentience could perhaps be deep enough subjects to be the topic of an entire thread.

A bee operates on a serotonin-based nervous system. It must feel like something to be a bee. Is a bee more conscious than a squirrel, and is a squirrel more conscious than a chimpanzee, and are we more conscious than a chimpanzee? Are some humans more conscious than others while awake? I would say if consciousness is a function of neural connections in the brain (as related to sensory input, perception, and memory via repetition), then a bee would have fewer neural connections, less perception, and less memory.

So consciousness could, theoretically, be quantified.


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