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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27450012 - 08/30/21 07:35 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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APE does not require a casing layer, so a nice flat 1/2" top layer is fine.
I've had many problems in most facets of cube cultivation and i still jst dnt understand why APE is so difficult for some. Aside from an extra week to pin, it's jst like any other cube.




Ive honestly been having a hard time with it. Maybe my spawn wasnt good but in the exact same conditions, spawn time, and coir mix as this:
Ive been getting this out of the APEs:

Its likely my spawn but it looked so good.




Honestly it could just be the culture.  I have had so many different results from APE; basically every syringe I've had has given me drastically different results.  I wish I had my old APE pics but I think I deleted them when I got 'noid.  Oh, actually I do have them! haha.


The first MS batch of APE I grew, which is from a vendor who no longer carries it, gave me like 150-200%BE over 2 flushes which is fucking incredible for APE. Decent first flush, awesome second flush.  I was just squirting syringes into grain jars at that time so I didn't save any cultures :frown:


The second batch of APE I grew was from another trusted vendor and gave me so-so first flushes and more so-so second flushes (ms culture too but I cloned some fruits with subpar results as well).  Nothing I did seemed to give me better results.  These pics are all MS from the same SW syringe.

I believe APE to vary from vendor to vendor, culture to culture..  Like you get similar looking mushrooms no matter what; they all have the APE quality..and the cultures seem to have been kept really fresh over the years.  However cloning a "good" fruit definitely doesn't mean "good" results, which is different than I've experienced with any other cube, and MS is a consistent crapshoot regardless of how healthy the culture is.  I've grown a ton of APE but it's always been so unpredictable (besides the first syringe I ever got, I wish the bird-man still carried it)

Ashtray, I recommend you try APE from another vendor maybe?  Was yours from the one doing the APE 1.0?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb] * 1
    #27450023 - 08/30/21 07:42 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

APE is generally a scant yielder. Sparse pinset is pretty normal. You gotta work with it till you get a culture that pumps. Srry, shuda mentioned that.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27450028 - 08/30/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)


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@ashtray:

i take it the pics in your sig are your tubs? you look like you've come a long way since you first started posting here!! i don't have much experience with ape so take this with a grain of salt, but if i remember correctly ape isn't a super heavy fruiter. if that's multispore you may just need to take some clones for better cultures. i'm sure there are a lot of factors contributing to your tubs that i'm totally missing as well but just something to think about.




Yep, those are me ^.^ Thank you a ton, im quite proud of the progress ive made. I still have a long way to go but im getting there. I cleaned up the cultures on agar through 7 or 8 transfers but yea ill likely have better results from clones. I have a really nice clone culture in my mini lab fridge for when I get to my next space.



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those are some fatties

i also just read someone say APE are thirsty little guys so you can give more water by adding some near clusters or bottom watering.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25977008#25977008




Theyve certainly been getting bigger. Theyre heavy little chubs too, really dense. Id love to get results like smartattacks Planet of the Apes thou

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APE is generally a scant yielder. Sparse pinset is pretty normal. You gotta work with it till you get a culture that pumps. Srry, shuda mentioned that.




Alright cool, its not just me then lol.

Can yall weigh in on whats going on with this Enigma tub? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27449760


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
    #27450032 - 08/30/21 07:48 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Feasoghorm said:
APE does not require a casing layer, so a nice flat 1/2" top layer is fine.
I've had many problems in most facets of cube cultivation and i still jst dnt understand why APE is so difficult for some. Aside from an extra week to pin, it's jst like any other cube.




Ive honestly been having a hard time with it. Maybe my spawn wasnt good but in the exact same conditions, spawn time, and coir mix as this:
Ive been getting this out of the APEs:

Its likely my spawn but it looked so good.




Honestly it could just be the culture.  I have had so many different results from APE; basically every syringe I've had has given me drastically different results.  I wish I had my old APE pics but I think I deleted them when I got 'noid.  Oh, actually I do have them! haha.


The first MS batch of APE I grew, which is from a vendor who no longer carries it, gave me like 150-200%BE over 2 flushes which is fucking incredible for APE. Decent first flush, awesome second flush.  I was just squirting syringes into grain jars at that time so I didn't save any cultures :frown:


The second batch of APE I grew was from another trusted vendor and gave me so-so first flushes and more so-so second flushes (ms culture too but I cloned some fruits with subpar results as well).  Nothing I did seemed to give me better results.  These pics are all MS from the same SW syringe.

I believe APE to vary from vendor to vendor, culture to culture..  Like you get similar looking mushrooms no matter what; they all have the APE quality..and the cultures seem to have been kept really fresh over the years.  However cloning a "good" fruit definitely doesn't mean "good" results, which is different than I've experienced with any other cube, and MS is a consistent crapshoot regardless of how healthy the culture is.  I've grown a ton of APE but it's always been so unpredictable (besides the first syringe I ever got, I wish the bird-man still carried it)

Ashtray, I recommend you try APE from another vendor maybe?  Was yours from the one doing the APE 1.0?




Damn those are really nice results.

Ya know honestly I couldnt tell you. Theyre either from a vendor or from trades in the marketplace.

Ive just lately gotten better at keeping track of and recording my results


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27450048 - 08/30/21 07:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

They were decent results but really those tubs at the bottom, those dried to no more than 2.5oz first flush and 2oz or less second flush..they look bigger in the pic than they were; the biggest ones were thumbtack sized.  Cased, uncased, thick top layer, no top layer, nothing made yields much better.  It just wasn't really worth it at the time for growing on a larger scale.  They are so fucking good and strong, though. 

I really really tried to find a clone that gave solid results but cloning always ended up making it worse lol...but I just ordered an APE v.1.0 syringe n am gonna give it another go..  Maybe order another syringe from somewhere and compare results?  Keep experimenting, you'll find a good culture sooner or later.

The first culture with the fatties gave me 1.5-2oz dry per quart jar.. with like 2-3g APE fruits.. it was the best,  I miss it so much :sad:  I wish you luck in your journey! I'll be watching from afar..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
    #27450100 - 08/30/21 08:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Posted this in the gourmet forum as well but this has a lot more visibility so:

So right now I'm running one shelf (see picture, it's wrapped in plastic painters cloth) of gourmets with a shitty household humidifier that's annoying for a few reasons. I was scoping out used ultrasonics but stumbled upon a really cheap CAT pump ($60) and now it's technically cheaper to run a high pressure system over ultrasonics, so I'm left wondering if that'd end up being problematic at all in such a small space. Normally the downside to high pressure is cost but if it's cheaper it's a good idea right? I intend to run more shelves later but wonder if it'd even work at all in such a confined space. Please lmk!

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27450106 - 08/30/21 08:43 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Just get floats and fohgers off amazon. Build a little humidifer with those and a blower. You could probably just use 3 or 4 discs, probably less. That and either a cycle timer or inkbird humidistat

How big is the cat pump?

Have you seen meyers mushrooms video on how he made his high prssure system with a cat pump?

The money youde save on elecrricity will pribably be negligible vut the upside of highpresdure is you never have a resivoiur to clean and you dont have to worry about blowing air through it.

He also has a video on how to make a fogger humidifer

***And unless your expanding beyond 12*16 (the size of mine, what i can attest to at least) i doubt youll need high pressure. Nozzels and shit are expensive also. I use 8 cheap foggers

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27450178 - 08/30/21 09:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

The cat pump is $60, it's cheaper than like any other option and it comes with the scalability advantages inherent to these suckers. But my gourmet space is so tiny I don't know if it's a dumb move. Like I don't know if nozzles will work well in such a confined space. I've seen Myers videos for both the ultrasonic and cat pump btw, but usually high pressure is used in larger areas.

The cat pump is a little bigger than the one in Eric's video. I live for convenience so agree about the reservoir cleaning and filling and stuff. I know a high pressure system is overkill, but if it's cheaper then it's not necessarily a bad thing right?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27450190 - 08/30/21 09:52 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think it would be cheaper to start. And it wpuld br hsrd to use on such a small area. And the inly reason its cheaper is because the pump comes on ever so often for a few second compared to discs running for minutes, and the labor youll save in cleaning. But fog discs are like 20watts.
Unless you plan on expanding beyond a 15*15 in the next year or so ide just keep it simple.
And i cant remember meyers exact reasoning for wanting a smaller pump but depending on the size you might nit even be abke to use it?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27450193 - 08/30/21 09:57 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

If the pump is $60, why wouldn't it be cheaper? I'd only need a couple nozzles. I think he didn't get the bigger pump cuz he didn't need it, saved money. But in my case the bigger pump is even cheaper than a single disc ultrasonic. But I don't know if they even work on this micro scale. I think they need space for the droplets to get small. I hope to expand so that's why I'm leaning toward something with scalability, but regardless it's just plain cheaper too.

*edit: the pump is also the same model as Eric's, it's just the slightly bigger one he mentions in the comments. And right now the difference in electricity is neglible compared to upfront cost imo.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27450196 - 08/30/21 10:04 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the APE answers! Will post some results here, if i can get a good clone i will be happy.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27450258 - 08/30/21 11:30 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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If the pump is $60, why wouldn't it be cheaper? I'd only need a couple nozzles. I think he didn't get the bigger pump cuz he didn't need it, saved money. But in my case the bigger pump is even cheaper than a single disc ultrasonic. But I don't know if they even work on this micro scale. I think they need space for the droplets to get small. I hope to expand so that's why I'm leaning toward something with scalability, but regardless it's just plain cheaper too.

*edit: the pump is also the same model as Eric's, it's just the slightly bigger one he mentions in the comments. And right now the difference in electricity is neglible compared to upfront cost imo.





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TedsDead]
    #27450263 - 08/30/21 11:39 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

My thinking too, if it doesn't work it shouldn't be more than $100 down the drain anyway. Gonna go for it I think

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27450341 - 08/31/21 02:04 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I left a half filled shoebox closed while the wbs colonized, opened it today to cobweb growing out of something growing.

I'm hoping this is an isolated case otherwise I've figured out why I've been getting trich for the last few grows despite having clean spawn.

May be time to go back to hpoo if the coir is contaminated.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27450475 - 08/31/21 05:49 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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My thinking too, if it doesn't work it shouldn't be more than $100 down the drain anyway. Gonna go for it I think





How much you think those nozzels are? Fine micron stainless steel isnr cheap

And if its iver 1.3 gallons like meyers said it will deliver way to much water even on the lowest setting.

3 fog discs=30, 3 floats=30, tub 10, fan 30-60, duct=10, 110-140.
I can guarentee you wont be abke to staty a high pressure setup for cheaper than that.
And the flexibilitu and manurverability of the system will have alot of vakue while you start also.
People dont start with hiigh pressurr, you grow into that.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: QM33]
    #27450782 - 08/31/21 11:02 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that's the kind of stuff I'm worried about, water just ending up on the floor not in the air. Why can't you just dial a bigger one back a bit?

It's looking like it's a 2.5-3 gpm model unfortunately. But I don't see why I couldn't just dial it back, despite this being hard on the motor.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
    #27451018 - 08/31/21 01:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Geeze Mister Big Dick here with his 9 quart bags...And I thought I was cool loading up 6-8 5 quart bags...Oh wait, I don't think his PC's can hold that much...

Some advice to you though for getting more accurate bags, I use a mail scale, you can get one that has a cable that goes from the scale table to the screen, so you can put the scale table on a counter, and either mount the screen or put it somewhere easy to see, then just open the bag like normal and scoop in grains. I aim for my T3's to have around 2500g of hydrated corn.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #27451085 - 08/31/21 02:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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I buy my bags from shroomsupply and my impulse sealer I bought from uline. I bought the 16" sealer. I like the large 3T bags.




Hey BB, I was just in shroomsupply looking at the biodegradable ones, being an earth geek and knowing that only 6% of recycle plastic does get recycled. Anyway, it doesn't say 3T anywhere in the bags for sale, but does give flattened height and width measurements. Or if I look at each item detail, it tells me the number of quarts I can load in the bag. And they removed their phone number from the site or I woulda just called them.

I think there is a shroomerite discount code, but I can't find it. Do you, or does anybody, know it? I am getting bags and an impulse sealer since my 75x is expected Friday. [I am going to buy the impulse sealer from ss because with the shroomery discount it isn't much different in $ from uline whom I prefer to boycott [as much as possible] because of their nauseating politics.]

Shall I buy a reishi slant from sporeworks, or is it cool to ask if somebody here has a print or something?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27451133 - 08/31/21 03:14 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)



Does the plate shot look like ape mycelium to you? Kinda unsure about this one.

Also: TWCs are awesome. That's a 3rd flush!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27451138 - 08/31/21 03:20 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Not really, no.

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