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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27472391 - 09/17/21 11:32 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Do we agree that there is potential to train suppression of attention through the hypothalamus having efferent effects on the thalamus?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27472594 - 09/18/21 05:38 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Do we agree that there is potential to train suppression of attention through the hypothalamus having efferent effects on the thalamus?



I am 100% of that opinion in reverse:
the suppression circuits from the hypothalamus upon the thalamus eliminate activity of sensation and perceptive association clusters from the active contents of consciousness permitting attention by what remains active.

random efforts of dialing the hypothalamus to tune out various distractions become learned and reused with fluency at a very early age using the associative apparatus as described in the theory.

it effectively kills the loop back (when cortical axons synapse with the thalamic counterpart neurons), so only a single sensory pulse or vestige of memory can blip from T to C (into blind sight)- assuring that the engram forms without containing the eliminated circuit groups. eg: eliminate sound of dogs, or eliminate distracting pink frame, or odd clothing, or itch, or worry... and thereby allow some concentration or focus of attention.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27472702 - 09/18/21 07:55 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

that sounds like meditation and self transcending
what is the connection between that and meditation?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27472727 - 09/18/21 08:21 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, concentration and distraction filtering are employed at the beginning of meditation and each time it gently begins again during a session.

in meditation both perceptive behavior (eg. sitting) and sensation (eg. breath following) merge in the practice of open awareness - perceptions (mind forms) are never separate from sensations (~reality~) in consciousness.

the input and output merge into one harmonious feed


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27473379 - 09/18/21 07:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So is closed mindedness a choice..? Or just a bi product of neural chemistry?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27473389 - 09/18/21 07:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It's a habit, probably socially reinforced. and it becomes a rhythm, your own inner song if you like, like the step you take, what percolates in your mind, and the way you stand in front of the mirror...
everything becomes a piece of everything else.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27473712 - 09/18/21 11:26 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm, true it is a habit..

So therefore should people look to open that persons mind?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27473901 - 09/19/21 04:38 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

depends on where you want to get to.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27473956 - 09/19/21 05:59 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

the best place possible!
zen!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27473993 - 09/19/21 06:57 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

F. are you BrendanFlock?
lots of energy today, hahaha!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27474009 - 09/19/21 07:24 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

it's crazy it's happening
I went 10 years without thinking it would happen or hardly any life crazy and now it stay's
did something (walked) and it felt like it would keep happening then

have a good one

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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27474034 - 09/19/21 07:54 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

well there are ups and downs, and it sound like you are up up up and resonant too.
could it be partly from meds & partly from discipline?
good mix however


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27474143 - 09/19/21 09:01 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

ya med and some kind of discipline like being ultra aware and wanting to want
wanting something better
and knowing where not to go
and a little strategy
your future state is based on the present so you high quality open awakened much that probably happens but it can take a long time like 6 years prob not more


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #27474165 - 09/19/21 09:17 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

but yeah I heard a lot like it will happen to you but when you get there it's not like you think
different world
not just more happy
can't imagine that kind of thing before it happens like getting to a better place
and before you don't really believe in it don't understand it
it's a lot like being on speed or mushrooms
and same with them you forget when you are not on them
and how awesome they are
was looking at a retreat site rangung yeshe the local and felt in case I meditate 5 minutes I will get to goal with the enhancement they are after
some of it
that kind of enhancement is one of their goals
and part of the idea
reminds me of you said the task is to raise the sparks
that kind of thing
a light a fineness
like a better color
anti rusty
had I smashed things more it would not have happened
the difference is minus 2 cigarettes
but the state stays and it is easier to get to a better place and further because I improvemed so much like prioritized becoming a better person
another important thing that happened is I walked the dog and I felt if I did it I would do as good the next year and get things done as much possibly a little better continously throughout the next year and begin school in a year and work much for that year and so on get out of it with the middle way and improve
it was really only after I had done the meditation and the dog walk that it started happening so there was focus on meditation and getting things done and going to where it feels you get the most done and get the furthest and is the best or like it
it is really amazing that we can actually feel what happens when we do this
one very important thing is not to have loss
like then you have to recover
like not have extreme history
extreme happening
you do so much better when you don't have to recover part of the whole thing about recover is that you have to do better so you usually waste years of good action with it
whereas when you stay in school and don't quit your job and son on you get to a better place much faster or are in a better place and that much and all the time
so this is one of the most important things
and then when you recover it is important to make art daily and meditate daily at least 8 minutes. that is most preferable. 20 - 30 minutes is very good. extremely helpful on a daily basis.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27474170 - 09/19/21 09:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

sometimes it was important to meditate much on a daily basis
like where you go affects the place you get to
so I had to not go away
for example with drugs
and I understood that
and then I meditated and didn't go away
and then where I went was better
and here I am and here we are and it is what it is
where we went is where we went it is defined by behaviour your behaviour and your behaviour only
the place you are
and so same predicament


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27476368 - 09/20/21 11:10 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Every thought or idea has a place/source..

There are thoughts that are higher than others..

This hierarchy is atonement..


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27476527 - 09/21/21 05:27 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

yom kippur?
that is icing on the cake if you go that way, cultural content not framework.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27477651 - 09/22/21 12:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Then you can map how high ideas are, wether good or evil..


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27477739 - 09/22/21 03:55 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

How many things are based on habit?

Engrams? Memories.. when and how to remember.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27477774 - 09/22/21 05:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I think almost everything is based on habit and precondition, as opposed to divine source. Like some people look to modern technology as evidence that we're in contact with alien species or have god's blessings. When it's actually a pretty slow, methodical process of solving one problem, adopting that behavior or technology, that technology leading to new opportunities or challenges. There's a British documentary called Connections that illustrates my point well. Everything is connected to the past. Things like automobiles could not have been developed before so many other industries and technologies came together throughout history. You can't have 1 day shipping on a wooden wagon for example, so a prerequisite to Amazon would be the rubber tire industry, flight, electronics, etc. You can trace everything back to habitual needs and adopted behavior/tech; the cycle of surviving and thriving that we're stuck in. Bezos, Ford, Goodyear were not saints, they were just humans with habits (and a lot of power/wealth).


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