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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28365274 - 06/19/23 09:46 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

You have a brilliant mind. :heart::heart::heart:


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28365285 - 06/19/23 09:52 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

I think we all do, but thanks dude!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28365306 - 06/19/23 10:09 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

There is something extraordinary with you, RGVs!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28365380 - 06/19/23 11:03 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

I keep on beginning from scratch is all that seems different.
it's a continuum


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365612 - 06/19/23 01:50 PM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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I keep on beginning from scratch is all that seems different.
it's a continuum



You've probably mentioned it before and it's lazy of me not to go through all 21 pages of this thread but here ai go anyway... Do you have formal education or are you an auto didact? Or both? Your hypotheses are very specific and yet you haven't linked to any formal articles you've written even though it seems like you have more than enough material for one or several. Or I guess you could just be not sharing them to protect your identity

My only formal education in this material was a neuro physiology class during my first undergrad, and a section on Neuro in general anatomy and physiology. I did make a 100 and 95 in this classes respectively. Always been fascinated but never got as in depth as you obviously have


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365627 - 06/19/23 01:57 PM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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I keep on beginning from scratch is all that seems different.
it's a continuum



It's interesting that you put it this way. Renee Descartes is essentially the 'father of modern philosophy' and his method was unique inso far as it started from scratch and built up from there, or at least attempted to. Prior philosophers had always invoked a number of dubious/loaded  assumptions, probably without realizing it. One of my favorite modern public figures is sadhguru and he is known for saying that he became the way he is by intentionally forgetting his education and just dynamically reorienting himself and what he says according to any present dialogue. Obviously he's got some education and there's a sense in which he remembers it but I understand what he means.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28365688 - 06/19/23 02:35 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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I keep on beginning from scratch is all that seems different.
it's a continuum



You've probably mentioned it before and it's lazy of me not to go through all 21 pages of this thread but here ai go anyway... Do you have formal education or are you an auto didact? Or both? Your hypotheses are very specific and yet you haven't linked to any formal articles you've written even though it seems like you have more than enough material for one or several. Or I guess you could just be not sharing them to protect your identity

My only formal education in this material was a neuro physiology class during my first undergrad, and a section on Neuro in general anatomy and physiology. I did make a 100 and 95 in this classes respectively. Always been fascinated but never got as in depth as you obviously have



Both, and yes there is a bit of a publication and I am involved in discussion and keeping abreast but I have not run a lab or anything.
I failed my first year university becoming depressed about relationship, and giving up as an emotional victim.
When I was accepted to a different university I chose courses that were beyond the second year level, so I took 3rd and 4th year courses for the next 2 years with an agreement from the dean that if I failed any course I would be kicked out.
I did well (exceptionally) continuing to pursue interests from high school where I taught myself anatomy and physiology from books (no internet before my graduation in 1974).

I was a library researcher and conceptual synthesist and still am, At the end of my undergrad my neurophysiology profs asked me to come with them to MIT to do experiments on my theory (I had already put together 1/2 of what I write about here), but I was terrified of the whole USA MKULTRA NIXON thing, and my new relationship came with a cushy job that I wanted to try. Perhaps I should have gone to MIT with them, maybe I am stupid for not doing so, but I began again and became a house builder, built a thousand new homes for people, and then became a software designer... I keep starting over.

I am trying to keep a log of my comments here and elsewhere to put together later in a more conscise way, but I keep on starting from the beginning anyway - ultimately I would like to be able to explain the whole thing to a six year old.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365740 - 06/19/23 03:05 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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was a library researcher and conceptual synthesist and still am, At the end of my undergrad my neurophysiology profs asked me to come with them to MIT to do experiments on my theory (I had already put together 1/2 of what I write about here), but I was terrified of the whole USA MKULTRA NIXON thing, and my new relationship came with a cushy job that I wanted to try.




wait, can you elaborate on this? I'm vaguely familiar with MK ultra and some of the alleged activities they were involved in but can you be more specific as to what you were afraid of?

Even when I was taking formal education classes most of what I learned was done at home through books auto didactically


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28365748 - 06/19/23 03:07 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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ultimately I would like to be able to explain the whole thing to a six year old.




Have you tried just importing the PDF and/or the diagrams into GPT and asking it to summarize at a 6 year old reading level? I had it do the same for M Theory recently and the answer it gave was really good.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28365853 - 06/19/23 04:25 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

No i did not think about it until you asked me. I wonder if it can run the program, hahaha!?!

that's the part I want to explain - how association happens automatically from what is active mental contents, and how mental contents causes reflexive perception.

the core function  activateAxonBranchesOf(index of pyramidal neuron) does all the work, and it is called by activatePyramidalsUponBackPropagation() which activates nearby pyramidal neurons when a cortical neuron lights up.

This part of the whole system seems to be the hardest for most people to understand. It is surprisingly uncomplicated.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365981 - 06/19/23 05:57 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Can you explain a little bit about how to use the program that you created? I think I understand the fundamentals of your theory conceptually but I'm not sure how to apply that to the program you created for testing purposes.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28366129 - 06/19/23 06:59 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)
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here are some instructions on operating the test harness


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366140 - 06/19/23 07:07 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

also if you have your own webserver, and you can use xampp locally, download the entire webpage and access it on your webserver, then you can edit the code and change the pictures that you access and process.

I used the HTML5 CANVAS to load images, so it has to run on a webserver with local images or it is a security violation.

the whole picture loading thing can be modified. (anything can be.)

If I do it again I will use live video instead, it is more dramatic, but I have become a bit lazy.

Also you can use the inspect to function to see the values of particular neuron contents and states, and you can set breakpoints to better understand what is happening.

the test harness is a very open concept. No additional libraries are used just plain JavaScript and HTML.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366172 - 06/19/23 07:28 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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If I do it again I will use live video instead, it is more dramatic, but I have become a bit lazy.




thank you I am perusing it now. Again you could try asking GPT to modify your code for you. I don't script anymore but I've had it write a couple of them for me and they worked


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28366199 - 06/19/23 07:44 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I think I am starting to get a better understanding but I still have much to learn to really understand.

My question is if meditation or Mushrooms increase the number of CT feedback loops then why does synchronization of visual information destabilize? As I increase the number of loops the focus of the image gets sharper.

Sorry for the dumb questions

Edit: wait... so is it From moment to moment there is destabilization of visual input integration, but the subsequent engram formation resulting from the higher number of loops is 'sharper'?

That might account for why people report that it felt more real than real life


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    #28366220 - 06/19/23 08:09 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

yes, I think you are getting it.

a single pattern or still image will ramify and tend to expand in clarity and "potential" and meaning, with additional branching extension, gaining form (and depth), and beauty, or fearsomeness, and possibly sparkling or exhibiting a kind of animation.

a moving form will leave trails that continue to ramify as well but the layers will mix and can transform into something alternative, like feathers, or jewels, or mandalas.

It's like form ramifies out of perceived form. I often have felt like the world is expanding at right angles to everything, which is not possible in 3 dimensions.

these are just single images, so it is not a full example of what frame stacking and ramification can do, and the extent of it is no bigger than a fruit fly's brain.

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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28366230 - 06/19/23 08:13 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Reminds me a bit of like when drawing an image by rapidly using the light from a laser pointer to repeatedly trace it.  Possibly with or without more than a single wavey-vibratey point of origin? 
Maybe, kind of, sort of - but not really at all, ha.  Red,  please help rectify this questionable analogy.  :lol:


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28366248 - 06/19/23 08:31 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Everything you say jives with what my favorite neuroscientist says. Today's podcast that you put out is about whether or not you'll perceive the event that kills you.


https://eagleman.com/podcast/will-you-perceive-the-event-that-kills-you/


Have you ever read psychedelic information Theory by James Kent? The full text is available online you can just Google it. You might be able to map a lot of what you figured out onto what is said there


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28366306 - 06/19/23 09:05 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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Everything you say jives with what my favorite neuroscientist says. Today's podcast that you put out is about whether or not you'll perceive the event that kills you.


https://eagleman.com/podcast/will-you-perceive-the-event-that-kills-you/


Have you ever read psychedelic information Theory by James Kent? The full text is available online you can just Google it. You might be able to map a lot of what you figured out onto what is said there



I had some email correspondence with Mr. Kent.

I felt that he needed to consider psychedelic C-T feedback extension and the resulting frame stacking and time distortions, and he seemed to like hearing about the way i put it.

I haven't pursued contact, and neither did he; It could have been 8 years ago?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366307 - 06/19/23 09:06 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I see.

Are you also acquainted with the person who wrote this?

https://www.dhushara.com/cossym/SEC/SEC1.htm#TheNeurosciencePerspective

I need to brush up on my education a lot. I've been following advances at the surface level but I'd like to understand things well enough to be able to contribute to conversations at the level that you're trying to have one


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