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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly] * 1
    #27538744 - 11/11/21 04:06 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I think there was a study on that in Australia by a gal named Moffitt. Interestingly they concluded that toddlers who can suppress desires for delayed rewards are more successful later in life, and those who cannot do this end up with an increased likelihood of antisocial behaviors through life.

Not sure if that comment really contributes to the question but hopefully everyone will sleep better now knowing that.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson] * 1
    #27538753 - 11/11/21 04:21 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Burn the wall of Shrubs!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #27539778 - 11/11/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I consider Consciousness to be The Infinite Singularity. That's probably better off in the Spirituality & Mysticism section... I just wish Philosophy was over there too hah!

But I appreciate all the sciences, endless entertainment at the edge of Science!

So, naturally astrophysics and quantum mechanics are equally interesting. Just wondering about such things entertains me... but I'm not big on maths hah! But if I have Faith in the scientific method...

The wave-particle nature of light, the double slit experiment, general relativity and quantum insanity have blown my mind... and made me realize Consciousness plays some kind of epic role in all of this.

In that we can see the edge of the observable Universe and track particles smaller than visibly detectable... yet the Observable Universe, as limited by the insurpassable speed of light still makes light look slow hah! And the smallest particles we've detected are relatively huge compared to the Planck Length... it seems Consciousness(the transfer of information) is creating and containing an infinite(or nonfinite hah) Universe made up of potentially nothing(Zero maybe the only Singularity hah.)

In a non-dual Buddha sense Consciousness could be considered like an electrical system that inherently has to be completely connected to it's entire space of awareness... thus in that we've observed the galaxies at the edge of the observable Universe which is expanding faster than the speed of light aren't we that Big? And when we look into the Hubble Deep Field(James Webb coming... eventually hah,) is not our Consciousness/awareness field capable of moving faster than the speed of light?

And since Consciousness is made up and only aware of particles that potentially lack any fundamental nature, does that not also mean it lacks inherent existence thus a Singularity?

Maybe, maybe not... doesn't matter... or isn't matter hah...

Regardless of it's true size... Consciousness is up to some epic stuff. So, I've wondered how primordial and fundamental Consciousness is... and what that means about our potential Divine Buddha nature!

Here's a pretty interesting lecture by an entertaining speaker and scientist who is attempting to unify cosmic inflation and general relativity with quantum mechanics and Consciousness...




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absent of judgement, no preference for samsara or nirvana
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Samantabhadra] * 1
    #27540271 - 11/12/21 09:01 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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endless entertainment at the edge of Science



glad to keep you entertained - it was not exactly my intention, I am in no way in competition with that guy in the video, who IMO has nothing to offer besides entertainment or a demonstration of how to seem very smart using quantum vocabulary and facial expressions.

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And since Consciousness is made up and only aware of particles that potentially lack any fundamental nature, does that not also mean it lacks inherent existence thus a Singularity?




Honestly you can say that about anything and still mean nothing.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27541141 - 11/12/21 09:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

If I can take anything from my views, it's that the perceived reward enables continuity.

Maybe that's unrelated or belonging to a different thread, but how this all works to drive us to success and accomplishment is a fascinating phenomenon imo.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly] * 1
    #27541293 - 11/13/21 03:42 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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sudly said:
If I can take anything from my views, it's that the perceived reward enables continuity.

Maybe that's unrelated or belonging to a different thread, but how this all works to drive us to success and accomplishment is a fascinating phenomenon imo.



a branch of psychology is based upon that.

I think it is ok to look through the lens of intentionality, as an application of attitude which is an extension of perception through time with short term memory's contextual continuity.

since there are billions of things happening per second, whatever helps you make sense of it is ok.

My main effort was to find out how memory could be formed realistically, and that led to the rest of this mind map - you can analyze that it is a reward for my attitude of discovery as an extension of my physiologically oriented perceptions upon the data available, collated over decades and keeping as much of the whole view in short term memory as possible (ergo the need of very few but very concise meanings) as a lens for more meaning during sessions of review, such as while answering posts here.

I think I have grown a lot since joining the shroomery and become more sensible since meeting you.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27565520 - 12/02/21 12:23 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I often get into little discussions with people about what I think consciousness is or is not, and how the brain and the mind are one thing, and how sensation is input and perception is everything else, and how memory engrams are constantly being formed as sets of all the activated Primary Cortical Neurons which are complete combinations of Sensation and Perception (everything else), that become more cohesive through repetition.

Accordingly I made up the chart below which arranges the non-exclusive lists of ideas in a way that can work for a lifetime providing animal or human consciousness.






Why didn't you include the nerves, the neural pathways!

Also how did you manage to turn to a baby?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27565631 - 12/02/21 03:20 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

in which nerves are you interested
the main wiring is shown figuratively

the baby is my grandson, who I resemble as much as possible.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27565748 - 12/02/21 07:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

gold clothes for win


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #27566950 - 12/02/21 09:26 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Oh wow congratulaions, Grandad! I thought that was just some professional photography representing your desire to regain a childlike fascination with the world, with undertones of self awareness / introspection. Cute kid wow. All the more reason that photo is appropriate for you.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson] * 1
    #27567564 - 12/03/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That’s my favorite image/photo on the Internet atm.
Utter perfection!  :cheers:


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #27567586 - 12/03/21 12:19 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

pretty dope!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27568395 - 12/03/21 11:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
in which nerves are you interested
the main wiring is shown figuratively

the baby is my grandson, who I resemble as much as possible.




I hope he doesn't mind! :P

Honestly, as an overview it seems exemplary, you even included proprioception and emotions. But the emotions stemming from the chest from the neurons in the chest, I personally think, should have a role, even though it is frontier science.

"While a complex regulation occurs in the central nervous system involving the insular cortex, the amygdala and the hypothalamus, a local cardiac regulation also takes place within the heart, driven by an intracardiac nervous system. This complex system consists of a network of ganglionic plexuses and interconnecting ganglions and axons. Each ganglionic plexus contains numerous intracardiac ganglia that operate as local integration centres, modulating the intricate autonomic interactions between the extrinsic and intracardiac nervous systems."

A brain within the heart: A review on the intracardiac nervous system

https://www.jmcc-online.com/article/S0022-2828(18)30100-7/fulltext


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27568591 - 12/04/21 03:54 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

my focus in this work is to illustrate:
(a) that associative memory can be formed directly from impressions
(b) that perception (or triggered associative recollection) is continually mixed in with sensations during memory formation.
(c) that this is the essence of conscious experience + thought + behavior.

many other things are also happening at the same time.
ganglia and corporeal reflexes impinge on consciousness, but are not capable of supporting the simultaneous formation of associative memory and perception.

so, for consciousness they are peripheral, whereas the thalamo-cortical signal pump is core.

consciousness is not the same as life, it is the extra thing that makes us special, more special than rocks, and wood, and water, and sand.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27568599 - 12/04/21 04:09 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

While generally true, periphery isn't necessarily always as such.



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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27568602 - 12/04/21 04:14 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Inner Fire does create memory of the feeling once felt it can be recalled through memory again, same with metta.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27568610 - 12/04/21 04:30 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

yes, exactly.
impressions are real, in the sense that you can recall them and they are part of how you receive and perceive new impressions.

consciousness is peripheral to the body, an adaptive peripheral relative to the body rooted in the brain.

the subject I am interested in this thread is the general case of consciousness and how memory is integral to that (everything else therefore is peripheral to this discussion - still important but not central).

as you say, metta can be cultivated in consciousness (using the body and mind) and by repetition become part of the reflexive perception matrix, i.e. a natural reflexive attitude.

this does not minimize the content, but it is content in consciousness, not the other way around.

by referring to the core of it, I can address cognition, personality, behavior, growth, illness, emotions, dreams, meditation, jhanas etc.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27568615 - 12/04/21 04:38 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Doing it in the desert…probably not recommended. :thumbdown:
The opposite practice though…
the one for the hot climates?
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27568616 - 12/04/21 04:40 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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yes, exactly.
impressions are real, in the sense that you can recall them and they are part of how you receive and perceive new impressions.

consciousness is peripheral to the body, an adaptive peripheral relative to the body rooted in the brain.

the subject I am interested in this thread is the general case of consciousness and how memory is integral to that (everything else therefore is peripheral to this discussion - still important but not central).

as you say, metta can be cultivated in consciousness (using the body and mind) and by repetition become part of the reflexive perception matrix, i.e. a natural reflexive attitude.

this does not minimize the content, but it is content in consciousness, not the other way around.

by referring to the core of it, I can address cognition, personality, behavior, growth, illness, emotions, dreams, meditation, jhanas etc.




Exactly, which is why I proposed that the nerve centers (ganglia) are as important in attempting to define the totality of consciousness, being integral to the aforementioned phenomena.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: teknix] * 1
    #27568620 - 12/04/21 04:51 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

you cannot address totality without listing all of our ancestors, and all of the galaxies.

I am not addressing totality, just consciousness, which is the totality of our living dream.


metta may be fundamental to your practice, as content.

only practice itself is the issue in this analysis, not the content


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