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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27520563 - 10/27/21 06:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

There will always be bad news. Stoically, I think we should do more than just accept things that happen as being our de facto destiny, but to embrace them.

So if it is bad, the degree of bad is hard to measure when things that happen are treated as our de facto destiny. So, perversely, "not so bad," if we can learn from it and look for the good in it.

There will always be good news. Sometimes it is difficult to embrace the good! I seem to often rather attune my brain to focus only on the sensory input which I do not like, to cultivate my bad feelings. How much better if I can focus on what I want.

I wonder why I am biased towards being unhappy by making bad news out to be worse than it really is, and wanting to avoid dwelling on the good news.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27520698 - 10/27/21 08:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So what would you make of that simultaneous voice warning?
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you both were aware of the danger,
you both were facing the same view,
you had already been dealing with the problem for quite some time and it had become your near favorite passtime to decompress and share the oppression and unfairness and opposition.
you probably both recently saw the same movies, and the glance someone makes when they are shocked or startled can be very stimulating in a couple, so simultaneous voices, maybe - or maybe offset by a few seconds after a glance, a telling glance, and basically there you have the classic setup for esp, or co-subjective experience.

I have had the same with my wife a few seconds offset shared hallucination of Indian elephants with decorated howdahs on the children's curtains which were plain maroon.  we were in the same headspace, mood whatever. very enjoyable.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27520714 - 10/27/21 08:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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... I wonder why I am biased towards being unhappy by making bad news out to be worse than it really is, and wanting to avoid dwelling on the good news.




I think that is a normal habit for fitting in with your respected colleagues/family.

moaning or bemoaning.

dwelling on good news? well that would be quite a rare turn of phrase. who does that?

obsessing over the news (mostly not good) is very common in culture.

People need to let themselves be incomprehensible sometimes, enjoying the rank opposite of the normal options. The more connected you become to the way you feel and to what you feel is most natural the more strange you will appear to people.

They will still accept you as long as you are not upsetting them too much.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27520808 - 10/27/21 09:59 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe negative preference is correlated to the fact that mammals have a loss/deprivation super-reaction bias. People will put a lot of energy into avoiding a loss but won't work as hard to earn the same amount. Maybe we are hard-wired to focus on stress for survival purposes.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27521086 - 10/28/21 06:22 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

we love story telling, and tsuris makes for interesting stories


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27522328 - 10/29/21 12:57 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds to me like perception enacts as a catalyst for the unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience.

Perhaps I'm full of it, but it makes a little bit of sense to me.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27522409 - 10/29/21 03:34 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It sounds to me like perception enacts as a catalyst for the unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience.

Perhaps I'm full of it, but it makes a little bit of sense to me.



yes but (using your words) it is the ongoing harmonic reflex (internal activation) of the memory tissue to ongoing sensory events during unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience becoming linked into memory.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27523632 - 10/30/21 04:59 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I agree mostly, but would add that there had to have been an external "trigger" that instigated the unionisation... a phrase someone said, or some visual stimulus.

My kids did later tell me (two years post facto) that their mother noticed that we left, and she seemed unusually interested in our exit. I thought it was odd that they remembered this event. I do think she had called some guys "to protect her and the kids."


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27530743 - 11/05/21 01:13 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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It sounds to me like perception enacts as a catalyst for the unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience.

Perhaps I'm full of it, but it makes a little bit of sense to me.



yes but (using your words) it is the ongoing harmonic reflex (internal activation) of the memory tissue to ongoing sensory events during unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience becoming linked into memory.






Where, or what is the receiver?



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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27530871 - 11/05/21 06:09 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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sudly said:
It sounds to me like perception enacts as a catalyst for the unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience.

Perhaps I'm full of it, but it makes a little bit of sense to me.



yes but (using your words) it is the ongoing harmonic reflex (internal activation) of the memory tissue to ongoing sensory events during unionisation of external input and internal activation, resulting in our dynamic experience becoming linked into memory.






Where, or what is the receiver?





there is no receiver just the activity we have described.

however, the nature of short term memory (all the cortical neurons that were activated in the last 5 minutes which are easier to stimulate with subthreshold pyramidal activations) is that one has a context or contextual reference prejudice with an "i am here" net effect.
that effect is easily misconstrued as a persistent ego.
(it is not just "i am here" physically, it is the train of thought, the smear of all mental activity over the last 5 minutes.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27532103 - 11/06/21 04:58 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So the proportions of things are slanted in the case of the ego.. which is either beneficial or not!


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27532144 - 11/06/21 06:07 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So the proportions of things are slanted in the case of the ego.. which is either beneficial or not!



perceptions are weighted to the most recent contextual involvements (the here and most recent now - which can be physical or mental activity equally).

ain't nothing wrong with that.

however, if the mental activity is self involved, it is an ego-ish mess


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27534291 - 11/07/21 09:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So is consciousness a mish-mash of various cerebral operating mechanisms, with the oldest parts of our brains ("alligator brain" and other lower parts) silently carrying the bulk of the operations, and our consciousness trying to make sense of it?

That seems to be what Jung has to say. Like we are primarily animal-brained and we have some language and other things recently added to the top of it all.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27534402 - 11/08/21 02:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Can you think of an analogy more concise than train of thought, or smear of mental activity?


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    #27534524 - 11/08/21 06:07 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So is consciousness a mish-mash of various cerebral operating mechanisms, with the oldest parts of our brains ("alligator brain" and other lower parts) silently carrying the bulk of the operations, and our consciousness trying to make sense of it?

That seems to be what Jung has to say. Like we are primarily animal-brained and we have some language and other things recently added to the top of it all.



JUNG was a psychiatric cutie pie, I am not promoting his ideas at all, although I respect and enjoy his efforts to look at non-western cosmologies in his intellectual synthesis.

The most basic reptilian/fish brain includes a thalamus which remains the core tissue for establishing feedback that enables a moment of sensation and perceptive association to resonate in the cortex which is also present in our evolutionary ancestors. Even insect brains, which I have not studied at all, probably have something similar.

I am trying to clarify that the process of absorbing sensation into memory and the simultaneous process of perception utilize the same features of brain tissue:
1. point for point correspondence of sensory neurons including vision too primary cortical neurons via thalamic relay with feedback (that can be suppressed by hypothalamic GABA circuits to prevent sense/percept channels from participating in the gestalt of experience). [all these 'facts' are known and accepted in neuroscience]
2. widely interlinked primary cortical neurons via pyramidal branching axons which are the main component of white matter [largely presumed to be true]; with new memory formation contingent on spike formation where axon branchlets connect with dendrites of primary cortical neurons [now being explored].
3. electrical field interference [observed for 100+ years as E.E.G.] plays a critical part in activating the engram binding branched pyramidal neurons, and is the instant reflex portal that awakens similar features in memory engrams from the sense+percept gestalt of the moment. [not yet widely examined].

I hope this helps to see what i have been saying here in this thread and elsewhere.

the main difference humans have with other creatures is how much non-functional perception we accommodate in the off-chance that a poem, song, artwork, or tool will result (evolutionarily speaking this is the adaptive result of more brains).

try not to think of it as a lizard with a thinking cap. we are all sensate and perceptive creatures, some just intrinsically more capable of playing with the objects in dream scenes.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27534525 - 11/08/21 06:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you think of an analogy more concise than train of thought, or smear of mental activity?



how about a thorny thicket?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27534816 - 11/08/21 11:04 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

don't be so quick to walk away
don't run away man


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27534842 - 11/08/21 11:18 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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don't be so quick to walk away
don't run away man



hey, in your flurry of activity you are making many new threads. why not group your like thoughts together in one thread, as you would keep the flowers in a garden in the flower bed, rather than scattering petals everywhere?

I am not going anywhere, this thread is my rose-bush, and it is doing fine.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27537237 - 11/10/21 01:17 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It's like when having a grasp of how to grow your muscles doesn't help you grow them on its own, what is the equivalent here?

Like, what do you think could be materialised, or realised from even a moderate grasp of the information process you've described?

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redgreenvines said: 3. electrical field interference [observed for 100+ years as E.E.G.] plays a critical part in activating the engram binding branched pyramidal neurons, and is the instant reflex portal that awakens similar features in memory engrams from the sense+percept gestalt of the moment. [not yet widely examined].




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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27537350 - 11/10/21 05:00 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

maybe I am here :hi:
this buzz is me - but not me the ego, me the buzz.
?
sensations mixed with perceptions, some lingering and layerinng
and what is repeated becomes more reflexive


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