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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27513214 - 10/22/21 05:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27513300 - 10/22/21 07:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

like something the buddha said


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27513302 - 10/22/21 07:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

that's right take care and don't do wrong
as much as possible
it's like that
do all the good you can do
getting things done
and meditating
and yoga would be good too
treat others in a good way


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27513376 - 10/22/21 09:07 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

is that from the good old Oneness thread next door?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27513607 - 10/22/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I can relay to you it's not a book of gospel but it has some interesting pages.

But only previous engrams can be stimulated by constructive interference?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27513658 - 10/22/21 01:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

the interference activates pyramidal neurons with multibranched axons. these reach out and when they meet active neurons they form new links and when they reach old links they collaborate to cause reactivation of neurons that have been in previous engrams.

not all of the previous engrams are related in the same way, some of the combinations are very location sensitive
some are shape and object sensitive
some are idea forms that never were real sensations but link to them,
but yes,  all of the re-activations, perceptions, relate to past engram contents, which may not completely gell up as they were (especially if this situation has only a little to do with that past one).

often combinations gell up oddly and one remembers an incident differently than before or an aspect of it relates to a different incident or person etc.

sometimes it is just unclear flotsam and jetsam, and that in turn kicks around contributing to the interference (of mental objects) generating new combinations, nuances, and finding past flavors that were like that.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27515724 - 10/23/21 11:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I really like Joe Dispenza. He is actually what came to mind when I said exotic conjecture.

I don't usually agree with much that is exotic conjecture (unless we are talking about a forecast!) but I think Joe's principles work. Not because of the reasons he says, but because of the reticular activating system in the brain. When we set our expectations for something, our thought processes tend to change so that we focus more on the things that will help us self-fulfill those "prophecies." For example, if we focus on a goal, it will be on our mind more often, and we will be more alert in noticing and acting upon things that will help bring us closer to that goal.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27515882 - 10/24/21 05:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe he will show up in politics? (Joe Dispenza)

which reticular activating system are you referring to?

is this something Joe made up?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27515899 - 10/24/21 06:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

No, I'm not into the cosmic resonance granting us our wishes bit. I'm referring to the reticular activating system, where when you buy a VW bug you suddenly start noticing VWs everywhere. So if you focus on a goal, you may activate that same system to start noticing opportunities which would increase your statistical chances of acting on it, and thereby become more likely to achieve your goal. So Joe is correct that visualization is a great technique, but just not for the reasons he cites.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27516106 - 10/24/21 10:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

so "reticular" is joe's word,
I see.
term collision.

there is a reticular formation in the brain stem but it has nothing to do with volkswagen related mental forms unless you sleep in your camper bug(, a few lucky people do).


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27516177 - 10/24/21 11:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

No no, I'm not a fan of language stemming from one individual. The RAS is described and discussed in the scientific literature if you search for it at your favorite online academic search base.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27516181 - 10/24/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'd elaborate on the RAS but I admittedly don't know enough about it to do so.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27516940 - 10/25/21 12:25 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

A meme machine perhaps?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27518246 - 10/26/21 01:12 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

They say all the faces in your dreams are from people you've seen in your life, but maybe we invent some too.

Is one wave environmental input, and the other an internal output? I'd just like to expand on what the interference is.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #27518333 - 10/26/21 04:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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They say all the faces in your dreams are from people you've seen in your life, but maybe we invent some too.

Is one wave environmental input, and the other an internal output? I'd just like to expand on what the interference is.



great questions!

they say a lot of things, much of associative memory emerges together, so facial recognition is likely first composite (or dyslexic) resolving to a single individual (maybe) before you react, so in dreams where combination is extremely normal, I would say that the faces emerging also are composite but can resolve, though they may resolve into a composite or a known face.

input and output from the cortex is continuous, any activated cortical neuron adds a new point source to the intersecting waves of energy  whether from sensation or internal activation. At the level of interfering circular waves there is no distinction between what bit of energy came from memory or from sensation.

perception expands upon the activity of sensation or of other mental forms equally, by bringing up more associated stuff spreading to other times, other colors, other people, etc.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27519434 - 10/26/21 08:46 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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They say all the faces in your dreams are from people you've seen in your life, but maybe we invent some too.

Is one wave environmental input, and the other an internal output? I'd just like to expand on what the interference is.



great questions!

they say a lot of things, much of associative memory emerges together, so facial recognition is likely first composite (or dyslexic) resolving to a single individual (maybe) before you react, so in dreams where combination is extremely normal, I would say that the faces emerging also are composite but can resolve, though they may resolve into a composite or a known face.


input and output from the cortex is continuous, any activated cortical neuron adds a new point source to the intersecting waves of energy  whether from sensation or internal activation. At the level of interfering circular waves there is no distinction between what bit of energy came from memory or from sensation.

perception expands upon the activity of sensation or of other mental forms equally, by bringing up more associated stuff spreading to other times, other colors, other people, etc.




So fascinating. I've frequently seen faces in dreams before that I was so sure were someone I had known for a very long time, and upon waking realized I had never seen that face, and shortly thereafter forgot it entirely.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27519480 - 10/26/21 09:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

So while we are on the subject of cerebral inventions, what about the voices in my head? Where do these originate?

I think we can classify these into a few:
1. Tripping
2. A nearly audible voice out of nowhere that suddenly tells one to do something of urgency (exempli grati, "get out of this place right now.")
3. Voices heard resulting from intense meditation, prayer, et al.
4. Voices when dreaming/supine/resting.

I've been thinking that at times, certain non-verbal parts of the brain can have an intense thing to say ("get out of this place right now"), but normally not being imbued with speech may, with enough impulse, send a message to another part of the brain which is then put into words and we perceive it as being an odd "voice" in our head. I wonder if this happens fluidly while tripping due to all of the unusual neural connectedness, allowing us to hear silent parts of our brains talking to us just as we may hear colors or see sounds. I've pondered on it and thought that perhaps the voices we hear in dreams are from parts of our brains that regularly deal in speech patterns.

My wife and I were at a soccer game once, sitting in some folding chairs in peace enjoying the sun. My ex wife was sitting about 50 feet away, scowling at me, and not letting my kids come sit with me (her father had assaulted me in a courthouse, and I had pressed charges on him, which led to his arrest, so she was pretty mad at me). After about 20 minutes, we had pretty much settled into our seats and were comfortable. Suddenly, and seemingly with no stimulus of which we were consciously aware, I heard a nearly audible voice say, "Get out of here, right now!" My eyes got very wide and I looked at my wife and said, "I think we should leave." She grabbed her chair without hesitation, looking equally intent on departing. We swiftly exited and drove away. I asked her why she agreed to leave, and she said that she heard a voice tell her the same thing, at that same moment. We were both puzzled by that, but we both had a very strong feeling that my ex's boyfriend, brother and some other schmucks had been summoned to drag me into the parking lot and that I would have ended up in jail or in the newspaper or both.

As a theist I believe that God works through natural means, but WTF was that? Some external stimulus that we both saw but did not consciously deem important, that our sub cortex or something processed and interpreted as, "Time to GTFO now, her boyfriend and brother et allibi are on their way here with baseball bats"? Did we both eat too many tacos and get a bad feeling in our guts at the same time due to digestion? Gnawing fears we both had, and a fan shouting something in the background stimulated a response we both had? Some bizarre state of rapport that the two of us shared, where one got alarmed and the other was emotionally connected and somehow resonated sympathetically? I'm at a loss. It still makes us both pause in wonder.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #27519558 - 10/26/21 10:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

you have more than voices to unpack in that court room family crime dramedy, but at least you had the good sense to take your faces out of that ball park.

when I hear strange voices it's because I am screwing around with my head, like trickster, stoned and fragmenting in semiautonomous coexisting threads - like socks turning inside and out again.

I am glad you got out of the park and stayed out of the news.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27519654 - 10/27/21 02:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

yah man super awesome to stay out of the news
what bad news will there be?
how bad?
what good news?
how good?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27520550 - 10/27/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So what would you make of that simultaneous voice warning?

I realize Kierkegaard would say, "While smoking my cigar I thought about this and because religion is dead, and life has no intrinsic essence, you therefore decided to pursue meaning, which is absurd, you chose the most illogical choice, which is therefore the only rational choice (a personal relationship with God) and He answered, and interceded."

Neitzsche would respond, "You see significance in vague anomalies."

Yeah yeah yeah guys I know, I know... but WTF was that? I mean really?


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