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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28375220 - 06/26/23 12:28 PM (6 months, 30 days ago)

I just came across this article about a bet made between neuroscientist Christoph Koch and philosopher David Chalmers that we’d know the mechanism by which the brains neurons produce consciousness by now.

Thought it was fitting to then come across this thread.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02120-8


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28375348 - 06/26/23 02:01 PM (6 months, 30 days ago)

25 years ago. Koch admitted defeat but says he’s willing to double down on his bet to 25 years from now. Given his age it’s a fair bet…


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28375365 - 06/26/23 02:21 PM (6 months, 30 days ago)

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Tell him about my thread,
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I got you my man

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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28378217 - 06/28/23 08:30 PM (6 months, 27 days ago)

One of the greatest teachings I became aware of on psychedelics is that the mystery is never ending. But we’ll keep trying to brush the dirt off of it and see what we find or what finds us. :sherlock:


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: morrowasted]
    #28378518 - 06/29/23 02:06 AM (6 months, 27 days ago)

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Reading an article in the New scientist and this quote feels relevant



Similarly, we can do so many things to reengineer what we call consciousness but we cannot really say what it is as far as I can understand




Interesting quote and quite similar to a book I read recently. It also referenced a tribe of people that don’t use numbers or any abstract ideas in their language.

It seems the word consciousness often gets interchanged with sentience and awareness.


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28378527 - 06/29/23 02:50 AM (6 months, 27 days ago)

I whole heartedly agree and the mystery I was suggesting was more in the totality of everything. I agree that for many, if not most people, once something is explained or labeled the ‘magic’ is lost so to speak. I enjoy the explanations and insights that we discover but I also enjoy quieting my thoughts to a whisper and feeling as though I’m viewing everything from a fresh and unlabeled perspective. I think many here have experienced that on psychedelic’s.

I’ll leave the explanations into how the brain and body produce or interface with consciousness to the experts.


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28386365 - 07/05/23 08:10 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

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how can discoverable be not measurable?
the discovery must involve a distinct trail which means some change in some measurable substance, field, or organization of parts.

For example, my experience of telepathy is often a sound or word in my own voice, and upon investigation - I stop cooking breakfast - and I find my wife quietly reading the words - words we had spoken days ago (so this undermines the discovery and sets up a trail to a different known thing being a revisited shared memory). The occasion has too little to suggest anything else is at play.

I could theorize that while stirring the pot like a witch I get messages from my wife in another room, but I wont.




The way you describe your telepathic experience reminds me of what I thought of as synchronicities. Extremely vivid picture/video or ‘vocal communication’ that gets played out in reality through another person or event. Almost like when somebody has an idea but if they don’t act on it it gets expressed through somebody else.

Enough to know I don’t know.


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28386681 - 07/06/23 03:44 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)



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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28386683 - 07/06/23 03:49 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

Morrow don’t forget that learning and taking in knowledge is wonderful but quieting down and letting that knowledge digest and seeing what your mind excretes out is equally important. I prefer half lotus like RGV but they also make squatty potties



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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: morrowasted]
    #28386711 - 07/06/23 04:42 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

I appreciate the use of the word genuinely. Meditation is meditation, it’s not trying to get anywhere and it’s not trying to think less. I get caught up in recycled thought patterns to a lesser degree and don’t take my thoughts as serious as I once did before starting disciplined meditation. It’s been a nice symptom.


It’s interesting the more you listen the more you say. For myself I find the opposite to be true. In either case I can understand the less sleeping part. You seem to be very passionate about learning and gaining knowledge. I can understand that passion as it gets expressed in different forms. At the moment I just binged through a passionate stage of writing and playing music on my piano. I’m still having trouble sleeping. There’s something to that energy…

Sleeping in half lotus…
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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: cubedryeguy]
    #28386716 - 07/06/23 04:48 AM (6 months, 20 days ago)

I should add that I’ve noticed when I severely limit tv, phone, music, etc and by bringing more awareness throughout my day supplemented with disciplined evening meditation I need less sleep. Maybe the body and mind become more cohesive and work a little more efficiently.


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28387952 - 07/07/23 05:00 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

What do you think happens to people in comas who have obe’s?

Maybe they are partially coming out of the coma during brief moments similarly to the anesthesia becoming ineffective?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28614120 - 01/08/24 01:36 PM (20 days, 19 minutes ago)

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some people equate awareness with consciousness, but this may not be correct, as dreams and waking consciousness have different degrees of that reflective awareness attitude.




Agreed. Would sentience and awareness be closer in relation?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28614150 - 01/08/24 02:11 PM (19 days, 23 hours ago)

That makes sense(s)


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28614776 - 01/09/24 04:13 AM (19 days, 9 hours ago)

My piano playing agrees with the uniqueness of one’s rhythm


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