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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28297022 - 04/26/23 11:28 PM (8 months, 28 days ago)

I'm just here to say thank you. :heart: I don't know how you figured all of this out but it is true.


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28297496 - 04/27/23 11:24 AM (8 months, 28 days ago)

How do you use it? I haven't tried it in over a decade and had extremely unpleasant experiences each time that left me unable to remember any of what happened.


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28298886 - 04/28/23 12:42 PM (8 months, 27 days ago)

Every word is a two dimensional mirror of a higher dimensional observation.

Like a mirror, the word captures part of- one angle/perspective of- the essence of the observed, but not all of it. A mirror however captures part of the essence of both the observed and the observer.

Understanding the same concept in multiple systems of writing/language is like putting one mirror behind you and looking into the part of the mirror in front of you that shows the mirror behind you.

The word English word God is the most broken mirror of all


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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: morrowasted]
    #28301111 - 04/30/23 01:12 PM (8 months, 25 days ago)



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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365116 - 06/19/23 06:22 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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The examples you provide of repeating a verbal phrase to yourself occur on a slower timescape of several seconds of shifting mental contents until the phrase repetition cycle resolves.

I have done this when really stoned, as a coping mechanism since the short term memory fails when stoned, and it is harder to stay on task without such laborious efforts.




fascinating.

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When emotional or stoned the normal 3 loops extends further, causing frame stacking and interfering with the usual sense of time passing leading to a sense of timelessness, or time jumping too quickly.

A basic perceptive reflex occurs within 2 cycles or 2/10th of a second. Ramified perception by sustained cortical neuron reactivation, lets us experience several more interconnections (i.e. when stoned or emotional) than usual




do you have a good literature link for this?


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly]
    #28365141 - 06/19/23 06:47 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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I think my emphasis lies on the conscious experience, focusing on the immediate utilisation and processing of information within working memory, reflecting the phonological feedback loop and its role in real time conscious awareness.




wouldnt phonological feedback loops be just one of the many CT loops?

It may be interesting to note that the occipital lobes become quickly taken over by auditory and touch input if there is no visual input; hence the brain injecting visual 'noise' into the occipital lobes at night every 90 mins, which is your REM/dreamtime.

I'm not sure whether cortex typically outfitted for auditory and tactile information process visual information as readily, however, does anyone else know?

I imagine that tactile sense came first followed by auditory since followed by usual sense on an evolutionary scale. If that's the case then it would make sense that the visual cortex is the 'least anatomically constrained' with respect to the information it can process. I could be totally wrong about that though


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28365240 - 06/19/23 09:03 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

Yeah I really appreciate all of your work as well. It all registers true with what little I know about neurophys from a few classes in college.


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effectively consolidating existing memory)


I mean that just sounds like memory reconsolidation,

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No consolidation of any kind is required, it is a fallaciaous theory as is the 2nd part of Hebbian theory.




I don't really follow this part so I'll have to do some reading


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365612 - 06/19/23 01:50 PM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I keep on beginning from scratch is all that seems different.
it's a continuum



You've probably mentioned it before and it's lazy of me not to go through all 21 pages of this thread but here ai go anyway... Do you have formal education or are you an auto didact? Or both? Your hypotheses are very specific and yet you haven't linked to any formal articles you've written even though it seems like you have more than enough material for one or several. Or I guess you could just be not sharing them to protect your identity

My only formal education in this material was a neuro physiology class during my first undergrad, and a section on Neuro in general anatomy and physiology. I did make a 100 and 95 in this classes respectively. Always been fascinated but never got as in depth as you obviously have


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365627 - 06/19/23 01:57 PM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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I keep on beginning from scratch is all that seems different.
it's a continuum



It's interesting that you put it this way. Renee Descartes is essentially the 'father of modern philosophy' and his method was unique inso far as it started from scratch and built up from there, or at least attempted to. Prior philosophers had always invoked a number of dubious/loaded  assumptions, probably without realizing it. One of my favorite modern public figures is sadhguru and he is known for saying that he became the way he is by intentionally forgetting his education and just dynamically reorienting himself and what he says according to any present dialogue. Obviously he's got some education and there's a sense in which he remembers it but I understand what he means.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365740 - 06/19/23 03:05 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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was a library researcher and conceptual synthesist and still am, At the end of my undergrad my neurophysiology profs asked me to come with them to MIT to do experiments on my theory (I had already put together 1/2 of what I write about here), but I was terrified of the whole USA MKULTRA NIXON thing, and my new relationship came with a cushy job that I wanted to try.




wait, can you elaborate on this? I'm vaguely familiar with MK ultra and some of the alleged activities they were involved in but can you be more specific as to what you were afraid of?

Even when I was taking formal education classes most of what I learned was done at home through books auto didactically


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28365748 - 06/19/23 03:07 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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ultimately I would like to be able to explain the whole thing to a six year old.




Have you tried just importing the PDF and/or the diagrams into GPT and asking it to summarize at a 6 year old reading level? I had it do the same for M Theory recently and the answer it gave was really good.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28365981 - 06/19/23 05:57 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Can you explain a little bit about how to use the program that you created? I think I understand the fundamentals of your theory conceptually but I'm not sure how to apply that to the program you created for testing purposes.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366172 - 06/19/23 07:28 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

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If I do it again I will use live video instead, it is more dramatic, but I have become a bit lazy.




thank you I am perusing it now. Again you could try asking GPT to modify your code for you. I don't script anymore but I've had it write a couple of them for me and they worked


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28366199 - 06/19/23 07:44 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I think I am starting to get a better understanding but I still have much to learn to really understand.

My question is if meditation or Mushrooms increase the number of CT feedback loops then why does synchronization of visual information destabilize? As I increase the number of loops the focus of the image gets sharper.

Sorry for the dumb questions

Edit: wait... so is it From moment to moment there is destabilization of visual input integration, but the subsequent engram formation resulting from the higher number of loops is 'sharper'?

That might account for why people report that it felt more real than real life


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28366248 - 06/19/23 08:31 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

Everything you say jives with what my favorite neuroscientist says. Today's podcast that you put out is about whether or not you'll perceive the event that kills you.


https://eagleman.com/podcast/will-you-perceive-the-event-that-kills-you/


Have you ever read psychedelic information Theory by James Kent? The full text is available online you can just Google it. You might be able to map a lot of what you figured out onto what is said there


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366307 - 06/19/23 09:06 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I see.

Are you also acquainted with the person who wrote this?

https://www.dhushara.com/cossym/SEC/SEC1.htm#TheNeurosciencePerspective

I need to brush up on my education a lot. I've been following advances at the surface level but I'd like to understand things well enough to be able to contribute to conversations at the level that you're trying to have one


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: morrowasted]
    #28366313 - 06/19/23 09:12 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I read this book when it first came out and the majority of it went over my head but I'd be interested to see if you found corollaries to your own ideas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incomplete_Nature#:~:text=Incomplete%20Nature%3A%20How%20Mind%20Emerged,and%20the%20origins%20of%20life.


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366336 - 06/19/23 09:32 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I thought that you were the one who had linked it to me originally my mistake

The ideas he has are really all over the place. He's trying to piece it all together but I don't have the ability to truly dissect what's being said. It seems to check out though

I mean you're solving soft problems of consciousness, seemingly very well, but the hard problem remains...


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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28366341 - 06/19/23 09:38 PM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I feel like it just depends on how big of a picture you want though. It's natural when you're thinking of causes to keep regressing if the cause that you arrived at seems like it may have a cause of its own.

Like your research is very interesting and could be very useful but it would not answer many of the big picture questions that most people have imo

Quanta and quantum effects are potentially very important. It's not entirely impossible that they are the most fundamental kind of thing. It may not be coincidental that there are three CT feedback loops involved on average in perception and that the 'rebirth of Jesus/older prototypes' took three days/the metaphysics of christian mythology is essentially that all things follow from the relation between three things ('trinity'), and that meditation induces seven Loops which is the number of days it took for creation.

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(b) How do quantum effects make a difference to macroscopic brain processes? Chalmers & McQueen do not assume quantum sensitivity in the "warm" brain, stating that "we have treated brain states as superpositions of numerous decoherent eigenstates, which themselves may involve relatively classical processing in neurons". Symbiotic cosmology accepts the need for brain states to have at least some quantum sensitivity and presents evidence for this. Critically it does not require the kind of isolation that current quantum computing methods do, by either isolating themselves from any significant decoherence, or by adiabatic quantum computing at very low temperatures following a series of zero energy configurations. All it requires in symbiotic cosmology are critically poised cellular states that become sensitive to individual quantum fluctuations in critically poised ion channels, initially in individual eucaryote single celled organisms. Later this process can become coupled in animal brains, through critically-poised whole brain states as coherent “excitons” distinguishable from one another through phase coherence discrimination being sensitive to threshold transitions in single neurons and their ion channels.




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