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consciousness is too rapid and subtle to be explained soley by neurological and biochemical processes.
have a body is energetically demanding. what's the body's role in consciousness? otherwise, why have a body at all?
human consciousness is an integral part of the human body's self-regulation.
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27463102 - 09/10/21 01:13 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree in that the body's input writes the minds output, but, the human organism is not a complex chemical-mechanistic machine!
the body’s connective tissues are made of liquid crystal materials that are capable of semiconducton. the information that travels thru the protein matrix of the body, carries the information without loss, and faster than neurons can relay signals. it is thru this protein matrix that the sensory bandwidth of consciousness communicates and stores information. this structured energy is dependent upon body, and it has no meaning without a body connection.
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27463737 - 09/11/21 03:23 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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memory is a distributed property. removal of large portions of the brain for medical reasons can dim a person's memory but never seem to cause a selective loss of particular memories.
somatic recall shows that memory extends beyond the nervous system. this communication system unifies structure and function. the cytoplasmic matrix of cells is an extension of connective tissues, and the opposite is also true. it is a continuous network, whose components are governed by relations with the whole, and it extends through the entire sentient whole. it’s highly geometrically ordered, and as the order increases, this coherence creates further order from order. all parts and processes are interconnected, giving rise to semiconduction.
just bc you do not currently have awareness of consciousness that is not neurological, does not mean these alternate information processing schemes do not exist.
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly] 1
#27463790 - 09/11/21 05:21 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27463863 - 09/11/21 07:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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are you referring to the California Institute of Integral Studies?
can you please point to a specific error in the text that you have identified?
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27464180 - 09/11/21 01:09 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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is consciousness dependent on matter or not? have you ever had an out of body experience? an illusion arises when trying to study consciousness at a micro level, bc it is only part and parcel of a greater whole. an individual has a systemic interconnectedness that is disregarded as the whole living being is analyzed and dissected into increasingly smaller pieces.
current biological and neurological models are mechanistic and reductionist. the connectivity of molecular biology can not be understood from its current dogmatic reductionist view consisting of strictly linear relationships. by trying to deconstruct the human being to understand it, the result is a degraded understanding. the body can not be explained in the bits, a hormone does this, an enzyme does this, a neuron does that, because the body is more than the sum of its individual parts, it is not a simple machine. the molecular machinery of the body is successful at describing inquiries on a limited level, but they should not be given credit for establishing order on every level.
as far as motor neurons, yes, the whole gist of fascial systemic interconnectedness is that there are ways of moving that are completely different from neuromuscular processes. it is this continuum pathway that acts as a shortcut between sensation and action. it conducts both information from proprioception and energy to power the muscles.
as far as memory storage, in this model, it is proposed it is stored holographically in the soft tissues. biophysics is by definition an interdisciplinary line of inquiry. progress has been slow bc there is a tendency to ignore anomalies, ask the wrong questions, and look for answers in the wong places. the study of memory dramatizes this point.
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly] 1
#27466407 - 09/13/21 03:57 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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as far as evolution, a theory is not a scientific proof.
in emperical sciences as a whole, there is no such thing as a "proven fact".
as far of out of body experience, or an any anomalous experience, it is important to have a balanced evaluation of the limitations, reliability, and validity of psychological methods to study the experiences and how they may be intergrated into neurobiophysics methods, which also have their limitations.
these kinds of experiences and observations contradict commonsense scientific knowledge, and are inconsistant with prevaling theories and accepted evidence, so that means they should be scientifically disregarded?
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: sudly] 1
#27466550 - 09/13/21 08:01 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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thealienthatategod said: how would you articulate the differences between consciousness and energy?
I wouldn't, I'd just define energy and the pathways it travels. You can say energy, but alone it means nothing. E.g. do you know what different forms of energy there are?
Which form would you refer to in regard to humans etc?
Where does evolution stop and out of body begin?
To say anything is out of body is inherently anti-evolution.
I find it degrading to suggest we're detached from nature, and not a part of it.
distinctions between consciousness and energy, are a division of perception. all boundaries are only defined by seemingly evident, and approximate and arbitrary confines. these curtains restrict portions within a system, as well as define discrete systems.
distinctions between the physical from the metaphysical exist bc there is a belief that an apparent separation has been observed. being given possession of a material frame, that acts as an enclosed pen, does nothing but further this apparent separation.
as human qualities interact with nature through mind, emotion, and intention, patterns become empowered that interact as sync in the overall expression of nature. this interconnectivity of fields and intentions marries the subtle energies of the body with the quantum. human intention acts like a typical potential, capable of creating robust effects in physical reality.
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27466569 - 09/13/21 08:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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okay, what part of the nonsense porridge would you like the reciepe for?
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27467030 - 09/13/21 04:17 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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sudly said: Evolution has literally been observed..
If a theory is not a scientific proof, what is a scientific proof and/or do they even exist?
Again, I think people can claim something out of body if they secede a full view in evolution.
I do not understand what you are talking about, probably you have been confused by the alienthatategod. like talking with a random word generator
what i mean is, there is strong evidence about theories (in this case evolution), but evidence is not proof!
evidence is needed to support a conclusion in the empirical sciences. evidence could support a false conclusion, but this wouldn't be known until the evidence could be shown to be false....because of other evidence!
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Re: RGV's Consciousness 101 Basics [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27467151 - 09/13/21 05:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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a black box experiment would be best to hypothesize about what consciousness is and/or is not. if you can test for something unseen in a reliable way and see a reliable output from something that contains the unseen, then you have a black box experiment.
is it possible that there is another coupling between sensation and action?
it is okay to admit that you cannot see the subject of interest, but you can see the container of it.
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does sensation exist if the observer is unaware of it?
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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
#28272092 - 04/10/23 11:37 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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consciousness just maybe G-d farting and realizing something stinks!
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Re: a demonstration in Javascript of the ideas in the original post [Re: redgreenvines]
#28272376 - 04/11/23 07:34 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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is the whole the sum of all levels or is the whole greater then the sum?
neither?
both?
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