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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27443377 - 08/26/21 06:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like it.
I'd kill myself if I had to use an electric top for my pc.
Cooking with one is terrible enough.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27443381 - 08/26/21 06:27 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd guess something was wrong with your flame stove than something being wrong with the electric. Why should it cycle between steam and air? I think it's nice to be able to run the PC without any exhaust gasses, but to each his own. I misread and thought it was a new range (thus probably induction), but it seems like that was a wrong assumption.
It's common to start a 10 minute timer when a steady flow of steam comes out (or when the lid lock auto-engages*), but I suspect that's overkill. I do it anyway, but when I'm busy I start a 15 minute timer as soon as air starts coming out the top.
* I've occasionally had my lid lock not engage until the weight was added. It's not a big deal, and I don't use my lid's lock as an indicator for anything. Some day it will break and I'll just glue its hole shut.
Edited by gone-pear-shaped (08/26/21 06:42 AM)
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gone-pear-shaped said: I'd guess something was wrong with your flame stove than something being wrong with the electric. Why should it cycle between steam and air? I think it's nice to be able to run the PC without any exhaust gasses, but to each his own.
It's common to start a 10 minute timer when a steady flow of steam comes out (or when the lid lock auto-engages*), but I suspect that's overkill. I do it anyway, but when I'm busy I start a 15 minute timer as soon as air starts coming out the top.
* I've occasionally had my lid lock not engage until the weight was added. It's not a big deal, and I don't use my lid's lock as an indicator for anything. Some day it will break and I'll just glue its hole shut.
It seems pretty normal to me, simple concept. There's air inside the pressure cooker. The contents are heating and producing steam. It's releasing the air. It only happens when I first heat up, until there is a steady stream of air (all the air is released) - never had a contamination issue with the gas stove. But I could put a bet on the electric stove failing to sterilise properly.
I normally do exactly as you - 10 mins from the steady flow of steam. But there isn't any flow of steam with the electric stove is what I'm getting at. Not visible anyway - too much air in it.
Edited by Guerrilla (08/26/21 06:35 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27443385 - 08/26/21 06:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I doubt it will fail plenty of people use electric it's just that it takes forever to boil water on electric stoves.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27443389 - 08/26/21 06:36 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: I doubt it will fail plenty of people use electric it's just that it takes forever to boil water on electric stoves.
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Hard to say until I try - just doesn't make me confident not seeing anything being vented. It was definitely boiling. I was watching it for hours.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27443392 - 08/26/21 06:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Boiling is boiling if the weight jiggles I think you'll be good
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27443395 - 08/26/21 06:44 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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Ain’t that the truth.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27443399 - 08/26/21 06:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll give it a go on some no pours and leave them blank. The least effort for a potential failure. If they fail I'm coming for you mushboy !!!
Hahah nah I mean if you hadn't said that I probably would have just hopped straight to getting a fire extinguisher and a propane burner lol. Let's see..
Actually.. I'm gonna put 4 small LC jars in there and inoculate them with some plates I don't particularly care about. Then if they work, they work and I've got some results, and if they don't well..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: junk_f00d]
#27443401 - 08/26/21 06:50 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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junk_f00d said: Anyone messing with supplemented bags for cubes?
What do you mean by supplemented bags? Bosley does bags like mudda bottles.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla] 2
#27443405 - 08/26/21 06:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd still get the burner ..I've avoided living places just because they didn't have gas.
As a white dude in my 30s I fancy myself as an amateur bro chef and no fuckin way could I ever use electric.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27443425 - 08/26/21 07:15 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol yeah I think I may have to..
Induction hobs are meant to be pretty good for instant controlling of temperature, wonder if a portable one of them would be any good.. My mind is telling me no. They have induction plates for prestos if they did happen to do the job.
The one I found has a broader heat setting too. My electric is 1-6 but portable induction 1-9... hmm..... few pre-settings like boil, stir fry etc.. need a fucking pressure cook setting.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27443433 - 08/26/21 07:27 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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In your 30s... Yeah right
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I've always wondered what the point of the venting step is...If you let your cooker get up to proper temps, you could have a cake of mold sitting in it, it doesn't matter, it's going to be dead. So yea, there's some spores from the air in there, but it doesn't matter because the sterilization period will kill them...I guess if you're doing a quick cook like <30 minutes maybe? But even then, airborn molds would be pretty finicky when exposed to steam over 212*F right?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Justweed]
#27443442 - 08/26/21 07:36 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't remember the exact reason but it was something to do with pockets of air being cooler IIRC
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#27443448 - 08/26/21 07:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Boiling is boiling if the weight jiggles I think you'll be good
I don't think my weight has ever jiggled or made much sound on 15psi. I didn't think it was meant to? 17-18psi yes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Guerrilla]
#27443451 - 08/26/21 07:43 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah if you don’t vent there’s gonna be air pockets which keep the temperature from being high enough and consistent.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27443455 - 08/26/21 07:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, it must be a constant flow of steam for a minimum of 10 minutes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27443460 - 08/26/21 07:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: Yes, it must be a constant flow of steam for a minimum of 10 minutes.
My thoughts too - hence my doubts on the electric stove which produces no visible steam.
Just gonna get a propane burner, sit it on a fire retardant mat on a table by the window and possibly have a box fan blowing any crap out the window. Fire extinguisher too. Read too much on these burners randomly bursting into 5 feet flames LOL
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27443461 - 08/26/21 07:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Yeah if you don’t vent there’s gonna be air pockets which keep the temperature from being high enough and consistent.
I mean wouldn't the air be the first thing to vent when the rocker rocks? It weighs less than steam, so once the whole device is full of steam to the point of pressure, the 'plain' air would be pushed out by the steam. Plus, steam would be hotter than air, the air wouldn't clump together and form a bubble of cooler air? Doesn't make much sense imo really, air pockets big enough to effect consistency in a 41 quart vessel running over water boiling temperature?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Justweed]
#27443468 - 08/26/21 07:57 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unvented PC is at 214F instead od 250F @ 15 psi
Steam rises over the air and vents first if it is venting from the top. That is why sterilizer lids have a vent tube so that the venting actually occurs bottom up.
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