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Offlinecb9fl
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True American
    #2743490 - 05/29/04 03:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The US seems to push democracy on all other countries .. or at least countries they currently want to engage.

How am I wrong in thinking that a true U.S. citizen would beleive that all countries should be allowed to decide their own government?

Who cares if U.S. citizens beleive a democracy is best, if other countries are socialist, oligarcal, republic ( as the US really is ), Sultanate , communist and others then who are U.S. citizens to decide what is best.

If the U.S. isn't even a true democracy then how they decided to push their supposed govt on others?


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Re: True American [Re: cb9fl]
    #2744444 - 05/29/04 03:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
The US seems to push democracy on all other countries .. or at least countries they currently want to engage.

How am I wrong in thinking that a true U.S. citizen would beleive that all countries should be allowed to decide their own government?

Who cares if U.S. citizens beleive a democracy is best, if other countries are socialist, oligarcal, republic ( as the US really is ), Sultanate , communist and others then who are U.S. citizens to decide what is best.

If the U.S. isn't even a true democracy then how they decided to push their supposed govt on others?




Were insane.


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Re: True American [Re: cb9fl]
    #2744457 - 05/29/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The US seems to push democracy on all other countries

Not sure about that cb. Can you think of any examples of US installed "democracies"?


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Re: True American [Re: Xlea321]
    #2744602 - 05/29/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's the world they (the US gov) use when they do install the governments in other countries. They always name it "democracy" but it inevitably degrades into dictatorship.

You have heard the phrase "absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

The United States of America is now the world's sole "superpower", and has been for long enough to cause the leaders of the US of A to become greedy with their power and influence. They have become absolutely corrupted. Now they see their role as Policeman to the World. They are of the mind that "hey, we have the power...let's use it!"

Thus is the way of History :wink:

I'm sure someone will be reading all this in history books, in the distant future...wondering how we let ourselves get so out of hand.


Then again...I'm not an "American"...so perhaps I have no say here :smirk:


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Re: True American [Re: cb9fl]
    #2744751 - 05/29/04 05:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If the people want to vote in a Communist, let them. Its not a republican/democrat thing in every democracy. The point is to allow in checks and balacnes, so corrupt powers are very difficult to stay in, like a Saddam.


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Re: True American [Re: Redo]
    #2744806 - 05/29/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

except that the checks and balances are easy to avoid and manipulate


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Re: True American [Re: vampirism]
    #2744961 - 05/29/04 08:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You cant avoid the checks and balances, thats impossible, or very close to it (exception of pardons and vetos), and vetos can be overturned as well. Manipulating you still need to have somebody in power, or be in power yourself, to change things on a smaller scale. With a dictator its how he feels goes, nothing else.


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Re: True American [Re: Redo]
    #2745006 - 05/29/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What about like right now, where All three branches belong to a political party, and theres a possible bill which will allow congress to ignore the supreme court?


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Re: True American [Re: cb9fl]
    #2745050 - 05/29/04 09:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

As long as the people that live there get to chose the government, anything else is fine.


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Re: True American [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2745061 - 05/29/04 09:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well it certainly doesn't seem that way give current policy in Iraq.


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Re: True American [Re: cb9fl]
    #2745227 - 05/29/04 11:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
If the U.S. isn't even a true democracy then how they decided to push their supposed govt on others?




a quick analogy for you that proves the US is a democracy even though we are supposed to be a constitutional republic

democracy is like 3 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner


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Re: True American [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2745381 - 05/30/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well, im sorry if you guys think its unfair, but obviously theres enough people behind the republican party to make it possible.


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Re: True American [Re: Redo]
    #2745396 - 05/30/04 12:46 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

??
to make what possible? The corruption of the system? Yeah i guess so... Note: there were never supposed to be political parties to begin with - it was one of the early founding father's warnings.

Imagine, if you will, if the three systems were run by independants. THAT would be damn near impossible to corrupt. Political parties though? Psh


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Re: True American [Re: vampirism]
    #2745585 - 05/30/04 02:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If we vote in and like a corrupt system thats what we get. Im sorry if you think around half of the country voted in corrupt system that only the other half can see.


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Re: True American [Re: Redo]
    #2745978 - 05/30/04 09:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

no,

the people had no say in the creation of political parties.


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