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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Gilbert20]
#27491399 - 10/03/21 06:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you guys thinking going with a pure coir sub would largely affect the results of this tek, or is the inclusion of verm necessary to really round out the water + sub volume.
Edited by Nimpo (10/03/21 06:55 PM)
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Nimpo]
#27491400 - 10/03/21 06:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Use verm, it allows your sub to hold more water than what the coir alone can hold.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27491401 - 10/03/21 06:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Use coir, it allows your sub to hold more water than what the coir alone can hold.
P Im a little drunk and I left a portion out my post, along with slight confusion reading yours. Ill edit mine now to reflect along with rephrase the question here:
Do you guys thinking going with a pure coir sub would largely affect the results of this tek, or is the inclusion of verm necessary to really round out the water + sub volume.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27491403 - 10/03/21 06:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Use verm, it allows your sub to hold more water than what the coir alone can hold.
Ahhh gotcha on the verm, will grab a new bag. Thanks man!
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Nimpo]
#27491405 - 10/03/21 06:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah if you try to add 5 liters of water to straight coir it'll likely be too wet.
If you don't run verm you'll have to adjust the water content, or increase the amount of coir but I highly recommend that you use vermiculite.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27491409 - 10/03/21 07:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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My first PE mono run using this method, what I did was split one 650g brick in half, and used that along with another full brick. So, 12 Qts of sub running a 56qt mono. I dropped the ratios you use since you have more sub and a bigger mono. Field capacity was perfect as ive dialed mine in over the year.
Where i went wrong was using too much coir for the bottom sub, and not enough for the top. Top Im sure never made it to be an inch thick, but it was thicker than 0.5" for sure.
Ill need to figure out field capacity again now with the inclusion of verm, as ive been pushing over 18 huaulta and APEUs monos using only coir. With my current coir brand, I use 4.5g of water per gram of coir.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Nimpo]
#27491414 - 10/03/21 07:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try using the same recipe that you always use, just add a thick top layer.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27494070 - 10/05/21 09:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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If this works, this is a game changer... Really didn't want to have to start pasteurizing jiffy to get a good casing layer for PE... Going to give your technique a go.
Thanks for sharing
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I'm pretty confident that it works at this point ; )
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27494112 - 10/05/21 09:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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“Birthed” the 8cup glad containers

Pretty excited to see how these turn out.. it’s an untested clone from last December. The GLC grains baggie is blobbing nicely so these should pin heavy

I’m still undecided on if I wanna do the CV layer for all PE tubs.. I’d have to make an entire 2nd cooler if bucketed CV just for the layers.. it’s a lot of material. I’d probably do it to all my PE tubs if I get like double what I would just doing a casing, but I guess we’ll see. It’s exciting either way and it’s nice to have another tool if I need it though

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: fahtster]
#27494118 - 10/05/21 09:58 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The blob pic hasn't been run with a thick top layer, both the two top pics have?
The tub recipe recipe that I was using worked out in such a way that I always had excess cv, so it actually fascinated this technique, I may not have come across this if I had to produce extra cv.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27494137 - 10/05/21 10:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The blob pic is the glc grains spawned to cv in a baggie.. the glc grains produced the top pics (1 qt of rye split between the 2 glad containers).
And I feel ya.. I’m glad you did the top layer. I’m just not sure it’s gonna be the best method for me. It did get me to start compressing my regular cube 1/4” top layers and that’s been working great 
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: fahtster]
#27494141 - 10/05/21 10:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellent, at least there's something you can take away from it.
Definitely not convenient for everyone to use that much substrate. Looking forward to pins.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27495124 - 10/06/21 05:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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How many flushes of PE do you typically get out of 1 mono with your method?
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1 flush, not usually any room for a second.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#27497485 - 10/08/21 03:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dat trowel is a huge timesaver. Thanks for sharing that. I was terrible at leveling by hand.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Atomsplit] 1
#27498599 - 10/09/21 02:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soon. Untested PE clone.

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27499123 - 10/10/21 04:47 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fantastic thread P9!
So I only saw your thread after I had already did my usual cube routine: coir/manure/verm with a thin pseudocasing of coir, and it started getting pretty crazy on the pseudolayer. So, I re-cased (with cactus soil/verm) and compressed it all quite firmly like you suggest. However, I did not use as thick of a casing layer as you suggest because I miscalculated the volume before pasteurizing (I do things by eye ). Now it looks like this:

Do you think I should recase or just let it ride?
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: odissey]
#27499312 - 10/10/21 08:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just let it do whatever it's going to do...in the future however I'd recommend losing the manure and sand.
Cubes don't require too much to fruit prolifically, coir/verm/water/and clean spawn is all you will ever need.
If you want to use manure and sand, start fooling around with some of the more exotic Psilocybe species.
That is my recommendation.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27499414 - 10/10/21 10:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Just let it do whatever it's going to do...in the future however I'd recommend losing the manure and sand.
Cubes don't require too much to fruit prolifically, coir/verm/water/and clean spawn is all you will ever need.
If you want to use manure and sand, start fooling around with some of the more exotic Psilocybe species.
That is my recommendation.
Ok thanks.
Well the reason I used manure is because I was also spawning tamps and I wanted to add manure for those. The sand is only in the cactus mix for the casing, which was also the same for tamps that's why.
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