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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27566202 - 12/02/21 12:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

What do you think about flipping the sub over and trying to get a second flush from the other side? If I was getting 150g+ yields in my first flush, I'd be happy to get even just 25% of that for my second. Call me greedy but I like hording gallons of dry shrooms in my stash. :wink:


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LimitBreaker] * 2
    #27566229 - 12/02/21 01:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Don't do that, it's not worth the effort.
If you want more mush, spawn more tubs, and be ruthlessly picky with the cultures you run, and the cleanliness of your spawn.

Do those things and you'll never want to flip a sub again because you'll be too busy scrooge mcducking your swimming pool full of cubes.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27566243 - 12/02/21 01:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

True. This tek makes it really easy to just prepare a dozen tubs, go on a holiday vacation overseas, and then come home to a goddamn forest.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LimitBreaker] * 3
    #27566866 - 12/02/21 08:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



Just my experience but i dont think the thinckness of the flush or the amount of stumps prevents a 2nd flush from forming. I got a 2nd flush outta this and i harvested it with a machete and rake.

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What do you think about flipping the sub over and trying to get a second flush from the other side? If I was getting 150g+ yields in my first flush, I'd be happy to get even just 25% of that for my second. Call me greedy but I like hording gallons of dry shrooms in my stash. :wink:




Once fruits come out of one side they tend to keep coming out of that side. But you do you. If squeezing every last drop out of some sub is your thing then do it. :thumbup:


And with the right culture you can get some serious first flush weight...

(Not same culture as pic'd above)


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27566869 - 12/02/21 08:42 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Did you hack the stumps off?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27566888 - 12/02/21 08:54 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



Zoom in and you tell me :shrug:


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #27566890 - 12/02/21 08:56 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Rake Tek!!


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27566894 - 12/02/21 08:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, you caught me being lazy.

It never occurred to me to remove the stumps, though it seems obvious now that I think of it. I'd probably still only run a single flush but a good way to get a second if you have a thick flush.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27566899 - 12/02/21 09:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That's a bomb second flush. IME that is... unusual lol


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Smartattack]
    #27566907 - 12/02/21 09:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think the pic was showing the dense first flush and then an example of how few stumps were left over....if that is the second flush that is certainly unusual but correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's the first.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27566917 - 12/02/21 09:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah 2nd flush was about half the weight of first flush on that rake tub. 1st flush pic'd.

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Smartattack]
    #27566923 - 12/02/21 09:14 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Just spawned 1/2 pint of fully colonized PE on rye (a2g) to 1 pint total of field capacity CGV to a small Tupperware. I’ve gotten nothing but blobs with this culture so far.

I mixed, leveled and slightly compressed the colonized grains with the same volume of bucket tek CVG, then added about 1/2 inch of the same CVG and leveled and compressed it as well. I enclosed the Tupperware in a gallon ziplock. Thanks p9. Can’t wait to see how she pins.



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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27567017 - 12/02/21 10:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Fresh stumps make for good tea



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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27567032 - 12/02/21 10:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Good lord that's a glorious canopy. If you got half the amount as your first flush, that's still a whopping ~110g dry, which is more than I'd expect from even a first flush with my previous grows. Besides, it takes ~30 days for the first flush with a 1:6 ratio. Waiting another 10 days for a second big flush doesn't seem like a waste of time at all.

Looks like you were going Freddy Kreuger on that sub  :uhoh:


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27567077 - 12/02/21 11:54 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah 2nd flush was about half the weight of first flush on that rake tub. 1st flush pic'd.

Fresh stumps make for good tea




Makes more sense. And yeah, the stumps are as good as any other part.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27567148 - 12/03/21 01:54 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't do that, it's not worth the effort.
If you want more mush, spawn more tubs, and be ruthlessly picky with the cultures you run, and the cleanliness of your spawn.

Do those things and you'll never want to flip a sub again because you'll be too busy scrooge mcducking your swimming pool full of cubes.




what is your process of picking a good culture? isolate right from MS? and how many isolate do you grow out before you pick the culture to run with?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: MycoWeek] * 2
    #27567365 - 12/03/21 08:43 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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what is your process of picking a good culture? isolate right from MS? and how many isolate do you grow out before you pick the culture to run with?






I pick cultures based upon 4 criteria:

1. Efficient transportation of h20 into fruits measures by first flush alone:

Don't settle for less than 50% (2500gr) of your starting water in grams moved into the fruits, the higher the % of utilized water converted into fruits, the better.

Aim for 70%+, as outlined in the OP, don't settle for less than 2500 wet grams of fruit(50%),  even better would be 70% which is 3500 wet grams(first flush);

2. Efficient utilization of substrate surface area:

Pins should form across every square inch of available surface area;

3. Solid stipes:

Don't fuck with hollow clones;

4. Potency:

This is very important,  you don't want a Bently with a k car chassis.

These are all genetic traits that can be selected for when choosing clones.

•Choose clones that readily cluster;

•That have dense solid stipes;

• That contain a significant amount of water, and pin evenly across the entire surface of the substrate;

• That are potent.

People often have clones that check some of these boxes but not all, it's a shame to see pictures of a dense/even canopy of hollow stipes,pretty to look at but that's about it. Averys albino come to mind.

I won't keep a clone that doesn't have all of these attributes, the only way to achieve it is through careful selection, testing the clone, and detailed labeling. Tbis is why people like PE in particular, it's on average pretty dense, pins well, holds lots of water and will often melt your face.

This can be done with any variety though, you just have to be very picky and have high standards. Like I said earlier:

•be absolutely ruthless with your grain spawn, if it isn't 100% it's fucking garbage;

•If your clone looks pretty in pics but the stipes are hollow, fucking garbage;

•If it doesn't cluster like a psychedelic kraken...fuckin garbage.etc.

You can stabilize traits within your culture through selfing. Chose clones that tick all of the boxes, go back to spores, repeat process until your cloned traits become a lineage.

Take pics to use in your notes, take detailed notes, label correctly and associate those clones with a picture because you'll quickly forget wtf you're dealing with soon enough.



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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27567476 - 12/03/21 10:27 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27567487 - 12/03/21 10:45 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the information p9, I got another question for ya when it comes to selecting a clone. (Maybe 2 questions)

Lets say Ive grown out some genetics from MS, grabbed a nice fruit, cloned, grew out the clone. Now from what I understand at this point I should take spores from that clone tub and grow them out which would result in F1 (or is the term F1 only applied to crosses?)

My question is,  are there any situations where cloning a clone before going back to spore could be beneficial?

When people talk about cloning a clone senescence usually gets brought up but I dont think that would apply here. Thoughts? Am I getting something wrong here?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: milkboy] * 1
    #27567740 - 12/03/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the information p9, I got another question for ya when it comes to selecting a clone. (Maybe 2 questions)

Lets say Ive grown out some genetics from MS, grabbed a nice fruit, cloned, grew out the clone. Now from what I understand at this point I should take spores from that clone tub and grow them out which would result in F1 (or is the term F1 only applied to crosses?)

My question is,  are there any situations where cloning a clone before going back to spore could be beneficial?

When people talk about cloning a clone senescence usually gets brought up but I dont think that would apply here. Thoughts? Am I getting something wrong here?





I'm not answering for him, but forget the word senescence. By the time you see that happen you would be sick of the culture in the first place. People throw that word around thinking that it's what happened to their culture when in reality it's their own fuckups lol.


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