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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LimitBreaker]
    #27564264 - 12/01/21 07:40 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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A couple questions:

1) Since you're compressing the substrate, is using a lining bag still necessary to prevent side pins? If possible, I'd prefer not to use one so that I can see how much the bottom layer has colonized since the casing is so thick.
2) Should I also compress the pseudocasing?




1. I use liners for full sized tubs, use a clear liner to view the subs performance. I don't line shoeboxes or mini monos.

2. Compress the substrate, then add top layer: compress the top layer in the same manner that you've compressed and leveled the substrate.



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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27564393 - 12/01/21 09:07 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You compress your casing?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27564397 - 12/01/21 09:10 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I do. I use compression for substrate and the thick top layer separately, which forms a boundary of sorts.

To be clear I do not use peat based casings anymore so I haven't tried compressing true peat based casing layers; others seem to be doing so with success though.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27564484 - 12/01/21 09:56 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

IMO a casing is a casing regardless of material if that material is being used as a casing, aka, providing a microclimate and protecting exposed grains.

I compress my substrate layer but dont compress my casing.

You getting equal or better results by doing so?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27564524 - 12/01/21 10:19 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I've found that a loose casing gives me blobs, so better results from level/compressed.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27564622 - 12/01/21 11:33 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You talking bout PE or everything? I've only read this page of the thread. Just realized it was longer. And to be honest... i'm not gonna go back and read


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27564626 - 12/01/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I apply to all of my subs, but I started using this method specifically for large runs of PE. 1" compressed top layer for all varieties other than PE, 1.5-2" for PE.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27564749 - 12/01/21 01:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27564942 - 12/01/21 03:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I do. I use compression for substrate and the thick top layer separately, which forms a boundary of sorts.

To be clear I do not use peat based casings anymore so I haven't tried compressing true peat based casing layers; others seem to be doing so with success though.





I made 4 tubs total, 3 is showing good growth and about to fruit, but having trouble with one of the tub.

For that tub, I mixed grain and substrate, but ran out of CVG, so I added compressed top layer 2 days later, and it stalled 3 days after top layer was added.

I dug out all the top layer, and the tub seems to recover.

Do you think adding it late caused the stalling?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: MycoWeek]
    #27564968 - 12/01/21 04:14 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure, but I doubt it. Stalling is usually from an infection but only time will tell.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27565197 - 12/01/21 06:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

My 4 PE monos went well with this tek. Blob rates was below 10% per tub.

Trying the tek out with some regular varieties to see if theres any difference on harvest volume next


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Nimpo] * 1
    #27565213 - 12/01/21 06:56 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm, keep playing with it and dialing your sub because you should be able to dial out all of those blobs. I don't get any blobs but I've clearly been dialing my tubs to that end for a while; add more pressure while compressing, little by little, for instance.

The compression and leveling affects pinset and blobs, whereas the increased substrate/water is what gives you the increased harvest weight.

So for those reading the tek don't confuse those details, you won't get a heavier flush from just a level/compressed sub, or vice-versa.

Let me know how it works out for you. With a little tweaking I'm certain that you won't see blobs at all.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27565463 - 12/01/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Could I increase the spawn ratio to 1:4 to speed up the colonization process and get more flushes?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LimitBreaker]
    #27565622 - 12/02/21 02:53 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, any standard spawn ratio will work.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27565726 - 12/02/21 06:38 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

More spawn doesnt equal more flushes....


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27565745 - 12/02/21 06:59 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I clearly need to re-read this thread. May I ask what happened to the video?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #27565749 - 12/02/21 07:04 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

If you can dial your tubs correctly you shouldn't have more than one flush, too many stubs to allow for pins to form.

If you use my coir/verm recipe it already has 4lbs of spawn, so adding more spawn to that recipe won't help.

If you use a standard coir recipe 1:4 should be fine, but as lot said, more spawn isn't going to do much other than speed up colonization, I find anything more than 1:4 a waste of spawn.

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27565755 - 12/02/21 07:12 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I liked in the 1:3 - 1:4 range myself. I think 1:3 gave me a slightly better yield in the fruiting footprint but 1:4 made better use of the spawn. Cause I liked making spawn and due to the amounts of bulk I was prepping at a time 1:3 worked out easier for my situation. I would never go back to 1:2 and I can’t believe I used to do 1:1 back when I was a noob. What a waste.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LotKid]
    #27565798 - 12/02/21 07:52 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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More spawn doesnt equal more flushes....





Usually I'd assume that's true, but p9 said he usually doesn't squeeze out more than 1 major flush before the sub is spent. I would think that's because he uses less spawn. Regardless, I think 1:4 would be the safe spot for me for multiple reasons. Edit: Nevermind, it's just because  the surface is all hacked up after harvesting. I still want to see if I can get more than 1 flush out, since some people in this thread have reported multiple flushes.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LimitBreaker]
    #27565867 - 12/02/21 08:46 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

The reason why I usually only get one flush is because my cultures are very efficient at utilizing the available surface area, so once those fruits are harvested all that remains of the surface are stumps; pins do not like to form on stumps.

1 and done is not a bad thing, I'd much prefer one flush wonders.

A flush like this leaves little room for subsequent flushes. This is TOC, they don't flush as heavy as PE but this culture pushed 5 dry ounces first flush reliably, less than 4 oz (with a 66qt mono) is a complete failure imo. Toc isn't a heavy flusher to begin with, ime.



With a good PE culture you should expect between 7-8 dry oz, one and done. Some people claim to get 10+oz but I haven't reached that goal yet.

I've deleted almost all of my grow pics so this is the best example that I have to offer, not a great example but you get the picture ; )


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