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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27546741 - 11/17/21 08:50 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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How you do the grow on your Enigma/Brainiac/TW2 grow in your sigfile?




Lol. Took me a minute. Those are actually FAE starved Lions Mane in Muda bottles. They didn't look right until I pushed the FAE way up, but they tasted delicious. I am still working on improving my methods for them in my environment. AKA can make them grow beautifully in a grocery bag but I am over here creating movie monsters from The Thing.


Back on topic:

The Semperviva seems to like the P9 smoosh. It is still slow, but seems healthy.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #27546744 - 11/17/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: MycoWeek]
    #27546964 - 11/17/21 11:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Should be fine.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27549889 - 11/19/21 02:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)


I finally get to try this method with my PE.  I'm stoked!  I adjusted the ratio just a little because I have to dub tub
as I don't have room for the larger fruiting container.

I used one less quart of substrate so it is a 1 to 3 ratio with a 2 quart top layer. My thinking was to keep the mushrooms from touching the sides of the dub tub so much I'd just use a little less sub. Hopefully this doesn't bite me in the ass. I think I'll be fine though.

I used another identical tub to pack the sub and top layers down.  Focusing on pressing inside the tub to make it even.

Thanks p9, awesome write up! I can't wait to see this in action.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: MycoWeek]
    #27550805 - 11/20/21 08:04 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not squeezing water out of it, it is a firm press however.

Play with it and see how things go, everything is a matter of dialing. You could probably get away with a lot here, so work with it if you're interested and see where it takes you.

It's a bit too subjective to tell you what amount of pressure I use, if I had to guess, perhaps 3lbs of Downward pressure. Perhaps I'll find a scale to test this on.




crap, I didn't see this 3lb post before I compressed it with much more force....should I try to loosen it up?



It's no biggie. I've just found that compressing too tightly results in a longer colonization time.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Lostkeys] * 1
    #27551204 - 11/20/21 01:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I compress the shit out of my bags and it works just as well...


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27552446 - 11/21/21 12:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I'm excited about this thread. I use 28quart under bed totes, and until reading this, I:


put a whole bag (4 quarts) of birdseed spawn into a tote with 650g of coir and a 1/4' top layer. Yielding 6-7oz dry.

I moved to:

Half my bag of spawn, 750g of coir with a thick 3/4" top layer. Yielding 5-6oz.

But!! I was noticing with my strain of golden teacher, all other things constant.... the lower spawn ratio made a much weaker pinset. Then I carefully noted that more air, around when knotting, helped bring on a full pinset.

So thats where I'm at. I currently have 10 totes I've been fanning twice a day, and 10 I'm leaving alone. Both are dialed in well. The fanned ones look like they might exceed my full bag monos!

Thank you for entertaining the idea that all my spawn/pc work might actually be double the yields in twice the monos.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: tedoro]
    #27558090 - 11/26/21 01:32 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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p9hu7 said:
I'm not squeezing water out of it, it is a firm press however.

Play with it and see how things go, everything is a matter of dialing. You could probably get away with a lot here, so work with it if you're interested and see where it takes you.

It's a bit too subjective to tell you what amount of pressure I use, if I had to guess, perhaps 3lbs of Downward pressure. Perhaps I'll find a scale to test this on.




crap, I didn't see this 3lb post before I compressed it with much more force....should I try to loosen it up?




Reporting back from my previous concern, seems packing the shit out of it doesn’t matter,  my Cambodian Gold 3qt popcorn spawn in a 20qt tub, about 1:3 ratio, bottom portion is completely colonized and colonizing casing layer now, few spots have already popped through. only took 7 days to reach this point.
I think this method is one of the greatest Tek and discovery of mushroom cultivation.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: MycoWeek]
    #27561086 - 11/28/21 05:59 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I'm trying to get the last few things needed while my agar transfers are cleaning up. I would like to follow this to the T but I can't find a reasonably priced vermiculite.  My local grow shop said they quit carrying it because it caused plant cancer (whatever that means).

Is the verm important enough to pay so much?
Is there a suitable substitute?
Straight coir?

If you have a source for some decently priced I'd be grateful.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Yeatster]
    #27561090 - 11/28/21 06:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

It's not 100% necessary but I like to use it. Buy the large bags from hydroponic stores, small bags from garden centers are too expensive.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27561097 - 11/28/21 06:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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It's not 100% necessary but I like to use it. Buy the large bags from hydroponic stores, small bags from garden centers are too expensive.



Right...that's what I planned. But my local grow shop/hydro store quit carrying it because they said it causes plant cancer. I'll look around some more.

Thanks p9 I'll be sure to drop a pic of some finished boomers using this method


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Yeatster]
    #27561101 - 11/28/21 06:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Yeatster]
    #27561110 - 11/28/21 06:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I just found this 4cf for $45.
https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/supplies/soil-and-soil-amendments/vermiculite
This is good right?




looks good.

we are ok with >>coarse<<  ?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27561394 - 11/28/21 10:37 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I just found this 4cf for $45.
https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/supplies/soil-and-soil-amendments/vermiculite
This is good right?




looks good.

we are ok with >>coarse<<  ?



Thanks! I ordered it. As far as coarse vs fine, my search has suggested fine is most suitable for pftek/brf (I don't have interest in these). For shoebox/monos it seems to be  about
50/50 with a preference of fine in casings.

I can certainly grind course if need be. Much better than paying 10x the $


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Yeatster]
    #27561859 - 11/29/21 11:19 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

What follows should be taken with a grain of salt as the culture I'm running is MS and I would feel better if it was one I was familiar with.  But, my traditional p9's blobbed pretty heavily.  I did a tub with p9 ration and compression but with a compressed 50/50 casing and that blobbed, to a lesser degree. 

The tub pictured I doubled the spawn ratio to 1:3, compressed the sub a la p9, and added a standard 50/50 casing...not patching or anything.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: seldom seen]
    #27563506 - 11/30/21 05:12 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Awesome, thanks p9. I'll post some pics once things get rolling.




Well here are progress pics of my G.T. shoebox using the p9 method




Nice looking mushrooms but for some reason I ALWAYS get small guys. It seems like no matter which type I grow they aren't getting as big as they should be.

Not sure what step to take next, I want to get better at this. Spawn and culture seemed clean but maybe not? I'm still such a newb, should I start a grow log to document every step so I can try and get help? Thanks guys!


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: DrunkLahey]
    #27563957 - 11/30/21 10:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

How's the hydration?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27564018 - 11/30/21 11:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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How's the hydration?



It seemed good, I misted once to get beads on the surface. Coir seemed at field capacity maybe a little over but not much. There's a good amount of water between the substrate and the sides of the box but no pooling.

I was thinking maybe it was slightly bacterial, had a somewhat sweet smell and the surface looked a little matted if you can see it in those pics.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27564028 - 12/01/21 12:18 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

This tek honestly answers so many of my questions about substrates. It's also really convenient because of how simple it is to prep. I always thought high spawn ratios were unnecessary and inefficient. You'll never utilize all the nutrients before your sub is spent. Nutrition is nothing for mushrooms without water, just as food is nothing for humans without oxygen to maintain cellular respiration. I'm really looking forward to trying this out with natalensis and melmac. The thought of getting anything more than 100g dry off either of these in my first flush is already getting me solid.

A couple questions:
1) Since you're compressing the substrate, is using a lining bag still necessary to prevent side pins? If possible, I'd prefer not to use one so that I can see how much the bottom layer has colonized since the casing is so thick.
2) Should I also compress the pseudocasing?


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: LimitBreaker]
    #27564196 - 12/01/21 06:06 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

If I understand correctly, linings are optional, and the pseudo casing layer is compressed lightly compared to the substrate layer. So the pseudo layer is levelled and tamped down lightly. But I recommend waiting for confirmation from somebody more knowledgeable, because I’m just some fucking idiot.


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