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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Eclipse3130]
#27515434 - 10/23/21 05:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking good, 1 and done.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27515436 - 10/23/21 05:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely a magic cure for PE issues
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Eclipse3130]
#27515497 - 10/23/21 06:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just read the whole thing, great info here P9, hopefully your situation improves, and you’re back on your feet before you know it.
I haven’t grown in a few years myself, but I’m def giving this method a go. I really like the idea of using less spawn per sub ratio...it effectively means I can squeeze another tub out of my colonizing grain. I’ll have to prep more sub, but prepping sub is easier than pc’ing grains lol. Will this ratio work on other cubes as well, or is this specific to PE?
I’ve got Thai elephant dung just starting to colonize jars now, I’d like to give it a try in a single monotub using this method
Keep ya head up!
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: 1down5up] 1
#27515525 - 10/23/21 07:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use this with all cubes, good luck with the Thai elephant dung.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#27518419 - 10/26/21 06:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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When do you swab them? My fruits don't seem to have spores, at least yet
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: odissey]
#27518540 - 10/26/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Top layer almost fully colonized..

Nice tub odissey! How do the gills look on that beefy boy on the bottom left?
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: seldom seen] 1
#27518642 - 10/26/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I staggered the spawning of the 4 tubs to avoid buying another dehydrator had they all been ready to harvest within a day of each other.
Tub #4 nearing the finish line

Looking forward to seeing how these pin. I think Im still going to get blobs on two monos just by the look of the top mycelium, but we'll find out soon enough
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: seldom seen]
#27519026 - 10/26/21 03:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking promising!
They look distorted and sporeless . I wanted to make some swabs but it seems I nees to wait for the other fruits
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Nimpo]
#27519028 - 10/26/21 03:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The myc is looking strong! Mine blobbed and thrown fruits in the same flush. Also something in between haha
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Nimpo] 1
#27519034 - 10/26/21 03:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spawn ratio is a consideration as well, like with fahts bags; I believe if you use too much spawn you may get blobs either way.
I don't use a lot of spawn so I don't have experience with what will happen but it seems reasonable that pe would be sensitive to too much supplementation.
1:1-1:2 is asking for problems imo, I'd probably start at 1:4 although I prefer less.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27519041 - 10/26/21 03:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does this apply to APE as well?
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: odissey]
#27519047 - 10/26/21 03:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd wager that it does. Mushrooms in general don't really prefer high rates of supplementation, for the most part.
More food doesn't necessarily mean more mushrooms. You can stretch your spawn a lot further than 1:1-1:2.
My standard is 1:6, mushrooms are mostly water, cubes aren't very resource dependent when compared to other species, they require far less fresh air than other cultivated mushrooms and less supplementation than what we usually give them.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27519550 - 10/26/21 10:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Spawn ratio is a consideration as well, like with fahts bags; I believe if you use too much spawn you may get blobs either way.
I don't use a lot of spawn so I don't have experience with what will happen but it seems reasonable that pe would be sensitive to too much supplementation.
1:1-1:2 is asking for problems imo, I'd probably start at 1:4 although I prefer less.
Heh.. but if you do start to see blobs, I recommend putting a thin casing layer on.. for whatever reason, it seems to promote normal pinning instead of continued blobs.. saw it with both the baggies and now these.. may have still pinned but maybe not as well given how the sides look on the non lined container.


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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: fahtster]
#27519559 - 10/26/21 10:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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A thin layer as it's blobbing? Super odd, do the blobs change to regular pins or does it just save the rest of the pinset from blobbing?
Did you compress the thin layer?
Blobs are so weird, they don't make any sense lol.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27519603 - 10/27/21 12:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah.. surface was starting to blob and I covered it.. blobs didn’t continue to grow and then it pinned like 4 days later. Could just be correlation and I don’t know what’s going on under the casing.. I guess the best way to find out more would be to repeat and leave the casing layer off and see what happens. I didn’t compress it and it didn’t become colonized (it did a little bit but for the most part, it didn’t)
This was a day or so before I cased it.. it’s not a ton of blobbing or anything so it could have just been the start before a normal pin set came in but the baggie was blobbing much worse when I cased it and the blobs ceased.. blob blob blob 

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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: fahtster]
#27519837 - 10/27/21 08:10 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did a little experimenting with the same culture...I upped the ratio to 1:3 on a couple(but p9 style in all other regards, have one classic p9 style 1:6 going, then with 2 66 qt tubs I did the standard 4 quarts of spawn, compressed, with a thick 50/50 casing layer that I slightly compressed as well. I don't know why I got all stoned and wanted to play with ratios.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: fahtster]
#27519839 - 10/27/21 08:12 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Was it jiffy or cv?
@seldom I'm interested to see what happens with a thick standard casing.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#27519896 - 10/27/21 08:55 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Was it jiffy or cv?
@seldom I'm interested to see what happens with a thick standard casing.
Me too, I'm intrigued by this whole thing...it's got me internally debating whether it's the spawn ratio, compression, or thick top layer so I figured I'd try a scatter shot approach. I will definitely post an update here.
I gotta say I absolutely love the evenness of the sub that the trowel provides.
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: seldom seen]
#27519946 - 10/27/21 09:49 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very interesting thread!
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Re: Top Layer/Pseudo-casing by p9 [Re: 1down5up] 1
#27520296 - 10/27/21 02:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Remember when I was growing on strips of cotton or polar fleece dipped in agar? PE never blobbed there for me 
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