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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422561 - 08/10/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I mask up now in public despite being vaccinated


I don't know anyone vaccinated who has gotten so sick they had to be hospitalized but more and more vaccinated are definitely coming down with covid





:uhoh:


Thats a bad sign right there, coming from you.





Yea but he will never apologize for calling me cringy and saying I don't understand the processes that are occuring. I would say I 100% understand them, moreso then you, or koods, or boddhivista, or qman333 or anyone else who either called me retarded or insinuated as such.



People didn't get smarter all of a sudden when science became the new religion. All people are looking for an ideology that allows them to not have to think every waking second of their life so they can go around on autopilot. News flash. Life is supposed to be constant work. If it's not, you're going to wrong way




Talk about moving goal posts.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422565 - 08/10/21 12:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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paradoxlost said:
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Asante said:
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morrowasted said:
I mask up now in public despite being vaccinated


I don't know anyone vaccinated who has gotten so sick they had to be hospitalized but more and more vaccinated are definitely coming down with covid





:uhoh:


Thats a bad sign right there, coming from you.





Yea but he will never apologize for calling me cringy and saying I don't understand the processes that are occuring. I would say I 100% understand them, moreso then you, or koods, or boddhivista, or qman333 or anyone else who either called me retarded or insinuated as such.



People didn't get smarter all of a sudden when science became the new religion. All people are looking for an ideology that allows them to not have to think every waking second of their life so they can go around on autopilot. News flash. Life is supposed to be constant work. If it's not, you're going to wrong way




Talk about moving goal posts.




Learned from you, the best my friend. Also, that second study I posted indicated that in immunocompromised patients the vaccine causes the most virulent mutations. One scientifically backed reason to not get vaccinated


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422568 - 08/10/21 12:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27422569 - 08/10/21 12:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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paradoxlost said:
I hope the improper vaccination policy execution doesn't result in vaccine resultant strains



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what if all these 90% perfect vacciens result in a disease that kills you in 3 minutes.






What if pee pee caca poo piss, mommy?



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https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/05/19/science.abh1139.full


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While several different COVID-19 vaccines have been deployed globally, a major concern is the emergence of antigenically distinct SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern (VOCs). In particular, the B.1.1.7 lineage that arose in the UK (1) and quickly became dominant, B.1.351 (also known as 501Y.V2) lineage in South Africa (2), B.1.1.28 lineage (and its descendant B.1.1.28.1, aka P.1/501Y.V3) in Brazil (3), and B.1.232/B.1.427/B.1.429 (aka CAL.20C and CAL.20A) in the United States (4) have raised serious questions about the nature, extent and consequences of antigenic drift in SARS-CoV-2. In the receptor-binding site (RBS) of the spike (S) protein receptor-binding domain (RBD), the B.1.1.7 lineage has acquired an N501Y mutation, B.1.351 and P.1 lineages share this mutation along with K417N/T and E484K, whereas the California variants have an L452R mutation that is also present in the Indian variant B.1.617 with E484Q (5). E484K has also been detected in a few B.1.1.7 genomes (1) (Fig. 1A). We therefore investigated the structural and functional consequences of such mutations on neutralizing antibodies (nAbs) isolated from COVID-19 convalescent patients, and their effect on angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor binding.







Literally talking about how the different vaccines in different areas will require different strategies for future vaccine development regionally.



If you read the entire article the solution is to fast track vaccination of people. And develop new vaccines as needed






I think this can literally about sum up paradoxs contributions to the thread.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422570 - 08/10/21 12:27 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Learned from you, the best my friend. Also, that second study I posted indicated that in immunocompromised patients the vaccine causes the most virulent mutations. One scientifically backed reason to not get vaccinated



Are you daft? Vaccines do not cause mutations. Mutations are random events. Damn


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: QM33]
    #27422571 - 08/10/21 12:27 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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QM33 said:
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paradoxlost said:
I hope the improper vaccination policy execution doesn't result in vaccine resultant strains



Quote:

morrowasted said:
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paradoxlost said:
what if all these 90% perfect vacciens result in a disease that kills you in 3 minutes.






What if pee pee caca poo piss, mommy?



Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Quote:

paradoxlost said:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/05/19/science.abh1139.full


Quote:

While several different COVID-19 vaccines have been deployed globally, a major concern is the emergence of antigenically distinct SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern (VOCs). In particular, the B.1.1.7 lineage that arose in the UK (1) and quickly became dominant, B.1.351 (also known as 501Y.V2) lineage in South Africa (2), B.1.1.28 lineage (and its descendant B.1.1.28.1, aka P.1/501Y.V3) in Brazil (3), and B.1.232/B.1.427/B.1.429 (aka CAL.20C and CAL.20A) in the United States (4) have raised serious questions about the nature, extent and consequences of antigenic drift in SARS-CoV-2. In the receptor-binding site (RBS) of the spike (S) protein receptor-binding domain (RBD), the B.1.1.7 lineage has acquired an N501Y mutation, B.1.351 and P.1 lineages share this mutation along with K417N/T and E484K, whereas the California variants have an L452R mutation that is also present in the Indian variant B.1.617 with E484Q (5). E484K has also been detected in a few B.1.1.7 genomes (1) (Fig. 1A). We therefore investigated the structural and functional consequences of such mutations on neutralizing antibodies (nAbs) isolated from COVID-19 convalescent patients, and their effect on angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor binding.







Literally talking about how the different vaccines in different areas will require different strategies for future vaccine development regionally.



If you read the entire article the solution is to fast track vaccination of people. And develop new vaccines as needed






I think this can literally about sum up paradoxs contributions to the thread.




You have contributed misinformation so I'm like leaps and bounds ahead of you


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422572 - 08/10/21 12:29 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Learned from you, the best my friend. Also, that second study I posted indicated that in immunocompromised patients the vaccine causes the most virulent mutations. One scientifically backed reason to not get vaccinated



Are you daft? Vaccines do not cause mutations. Mutations are random events. Damn





Holy shit dude are you daft.

You can't even come out and admit you were wrong and the genetic drift I was talking about not only occurs and is a matter of concern in coronavirus, but also that in some circumstances vaccination programs will induce an unnatural evolutionary environment and causes the emergence of a virus that otherwise wouldn't and often times this is a more virulent strain the what natural evolution would have selected for.


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 12:32 PM)


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422576 - 08/10/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Misinformation?! I havent added a damn thing to this thread, just asked questions lol.

You officially suck.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422577 - 08/10/21 12:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Antivaxxers are dropping like flies

Conservative radio host and vaccine critic dies of covid-19 complications





What does that have to do with anything, please stick to peer reviewed sources


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: QM33]
    #27422579 - 08/10/21 12:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Misinformation?! I havent added a damn thing to this thread, just asked questions lol.

You officially suck.





Nah you told me "all you're doing is making educated guesses about what could happen in the future,  fuck off"


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422580 - 08/10/21 12:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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paradoxlost said:
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koods said:
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paradoxlost said:
Learned from you, the best my friend. Also, that second study I posted indicated that in immunocompromised patients the vaccine causes the most virulent mutations. One scientifically backed reason to not get vaccinated



Are you daft? Vaccines do not cause mutations. Mutations are random events. Damn





Holy shit dude are you daft.

You can't even come out and admit you were wrong and the genetic drift I was talking about not only occurs and is a matter of concern in coronavirus, but also that in some circumstances vaccination programs will induce an unnatural evolutionary environment and causes the emergence of a virus that otherwise wouldn't and often times this is a more virulent strain the what natural evolution would have selected for.





I will repeat again. Vaccines do not cause mutations. You simply don’t understand what you are reading


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: QM33]
    #27422581 - 08/10/21 12:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Misinformation?! I havent added a damn thing to this thread, just asked questions lol.

You officially suck.





Also by IMMEDIATELY assuming I was wrong you were giving the impression I was. Clearly I wasn't. Misinformation. You went hard as fuck.


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[quote]koods said:
Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422583 - 08/10/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

paradoxlost said:
Quote:

koods said:
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paradoxlost said:
Learned from you, the best my friend. Also, that second study I posted indicated that in immunocompromised patients the vaccine causes the most virulent mutations. One scientifically backed reason to not get vaccinated



Are you daft? Vaccines do not cause mutations. Mutations are random events. Damn





Holy shit dude are you daft.

You can't even come out and admit you were wrong and the genetic drift I was talking about not only occurs and is a matter of concern in coronavirus, but also that in some circumstances vaccination programs will induce an unnatural evolutionary environment and causes the emergence of a virus that otherwise wouldn't and often times this is a more virulent strain the what natural evolution would have selected for.





I will repeat again. Vaccines do not cause mutations. You simply don’t understand what you are reading






You don't understand genetic drift or evolution it's cool.


You can evolve a trait, without the environmental pressures it won't be selected for. It will drift not correlated to anything until it goes away. By creating an evolutionary environment in a specific direction, although you're not creating mutations like radioactive particles. Instead you're 'incentivizing' that genome to keep a certain flavor of mutations that normally would drift into obscurity.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 12:38 PM)


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    #27422584 - 08/10/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Hamhead 2.0


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422585 - 08/10/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Misinformation?! I havent added a damn thing to this thread, just asked questions lol.

You officially suck.





Nah you told me "all you're doing is making educated guesses about what could happen in the future,  fuck off"





You are! Nevwr said if they were right or wrong, bid and kooks did (lol).
And you cant even accwpt, qnd honestly afywr reading this shit so many times i feel like im starting to get it!
And you just being stubborn!

So you fuck off!  Geeeeees


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422587 - 08/10/21 12:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Every time a virus replicates there is a chance of a mutation occuring. Occasionally the viral rna gets hit with high energy particles from radiation that can cause a mutation. These are random events and 99.99% of the time it is detrimental to the virus.

The only way to reduce the number of mutations is to reduce the number of times viruses replicate. This means reducing the number of people getting infected and reducing the viral load.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: QM33]
    #27422589 - 08/10/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Koods is wrong.

Mutations are random. Their drift through a genome after being passed to their progeny can be either random or epigenetically controlled.

The vaccine is an epigenetic controller


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 12:42 PM)


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: koods]
    #27422593 - 08/10/21 12:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Every time a virus replicates there is a chance of a mutation occuring. Occasionally the viral rna gets hit with high energy particles from radiation that can cause a mutation. These are random events and 99.99% of the time it is detrimental to the virus.





Koods time and time again that's not what I'm fucking referring too.


I've made that wildly clear.


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Asante, I don’t think we should have any sympathy and should celebrate the deaths of antivax/antimask activists. They are responsible for far more American deaths than al Qaeda ever was. Every time one of them dies ther movement of death is weakened.ut[/quote]

[quote]koods said:
Chasing variants with vaccines is a dumb idea[/quote]


Edited by paradoxlost (08/10/21 12:43 PM)


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422595 - 08/10/21 12:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Koods is wrong.

Mutations are random. Their drift through a genome after being passed to their progeny can be either random or epigenetically controlled.




I just said mutations are random and I’m wrong? Wtf dude.


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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Second Wave 2020-2021 season) [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27422599 - 08/10/21 12:43 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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Every time a virus replicates there is a chance of a mutation occuring. Occasionally the viral rna gets hit with high energy particles from radiation that can cause a mutation. These are random events and 99.99% of the time it is detrimental to the virus.





Koods time and time again that's not what I'm fucking referring too.




Quote:

I posted indicated that in immunocompromised patients the vaccine causes the most virulent mutations.




Your quote saying vaccines cause mutations


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