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Automated Monotub
    #27421940 - 08/10/21 12:12 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I live in Climate Zone 10 (desert climate).  I work a fulltime job, and have recently picked up the hobby of mycology.  I elected to automate my monotub because I knew I would not be able to micro-manage conditions manually.  Here is my set up.



I am keeping the relative humidity controlled between 74% and 78%.  The computer fan delivers filtered fresh air for 5 minutes every 3 hours.  I just harvested approximately 900 grams wet of Golden Teacher in the first flush.  I have have made no adjustments.  I only regularly observe to make sure conditions look correct, and assess the progress of the growth.


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob] * 1
    #27422012 - 08/10/21 02:14 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

congrats on your harvest

but i dont think any of that is needed in zone 10 (or really anywhere) indoors if you dial in your tubs

a monotub is basically automated as-is, plenty of people have no trouble with them in zone 10. just adjust your holes/etc to dial in fae, dial in the water content of your sub etc, and you will be fine. you shouldnt even need to mist before your first flush

i would use that equipment to build a GH instead, fruit some pans or just run trays, because a monotub does not derive any benefit from it


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob]
    #27428615 - 08/15/21 12:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

you should try running some pans or tampanensis in that thing! very cool


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #27429713 - 08/15/21 11:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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congrats on your harvest

but i dont think any of that is needed in zone 10 (or really anywhere) indoors if you dial in your tubs

a monotub is basically automated as-is, plenty of people have no trouble with them in zone 10. just adjust your holes/etc to dial in fae, dial in the water content of your sub etc, and you will be fine. you shouldnt even need to mist before your first flush

i would use that equipment to build a GH instead, fruit some pans or just run trays, because a monotub does not derive any benefit from it



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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #27430977 - 08/16/21 10:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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c10h12n2o said:
congrats on your harvest

but i dont think any of that is needed in zone 10 (or really anywhere) indoors if you dial in your tubs

a monotub is basically automated as-is, plenty of people have no trouble with them in zone 10. just adjust your holes/etc to dial in fae, dial in the water content of your sub etc, and you will be fine. you shouldnt even need to mist before your first flush

i would use that equipment to build a GH instead, fruit some pans or just run trays, because a monotub does not derive any benefit from it




Thanks, Yeah GH is the future plan.  When the summer heat breaks and I can move my operation to my un-air-conditioned detached garage.  Don't have the room in my house.


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob]
    #27432099 - 08/17/21 06:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Monotubs are very automated by nature.

This doesn't strike me as advanced.

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27432381 - 08/17/21 09:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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p9hu7 said:
Monotubs are very automated by nature.

This doesn't strike me as advanced.



Ok. Thanks for your opinion.

au·to·ma·tion - noun the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Please enlighten me as to how they are "very automated by nature".


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob] * 1
    #27432431 - 08/17/21 10:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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boomerbob said:
Quote:

p9hu7 said:
Monotubs are very automated by nature.

This doesn't strike me as advanced.



Ok. Thanks for your opinion.

au·to·ma·tion - noun the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Please enlighten me as to how they are "very automated by nature".




not really a matter of opinion, its a fact, i told you as much earlier in the thread

a monotub is the largely automatic production of mushroom fruits

a dialed in monotub is 100% set and forget. more automated than your "automated monotub" for sure. you mix spawn and substrate, put the lid on and dont have to touch anything again until harvest

in your setup you have to refill water and adjust fae and humidity timers. even if you have the timers dialed in you still have to  add more water when your reservoir runs out. in any case it involves much more fine tuning than a standard monotub for literally no benefit

adding GH equipment (humidifier and fans and timers) to a monotub basically turns it into a Rube Goldberg Machine

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Rube Goldberg machine: ​named after American cartoonist Rube Goldberg, is a chain reaction-type machine or contraption intentionally designed to perform a simple task in an indirect and overly complicated way.




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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #27432488 - 08/17/21 11:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

c10h12n2o said:
Quote:

boomerbob said:
Quote:

p9hu7 said:
Monotubs are very automated by nature.

This doesn't strike me as advanced.



Ok. Thanks for your opinion.

au·to·ma·tion - noun the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Please enlighten me as to how they are "very automated by nature".




not really a matter of opinion, its a fact, i told you as much earlier in the thread

a monotub is the largely automatic production of mushroom fruits

a dialed in monotub is 100% set and forget. more automated than your "automated monotub" for sure. you mix spawn and substrate, put the lid on and dont have to touch anything again until harvest

in your setup you have to refill water and adjust fae and humidity timers. even if you have the timers dialed in you still have to  add more water when your reservoir runs out. in any case it involves much more fine tuning than a standard monotub for literally no benefit

adding GH equipment (humidifier and fans and timers) to a monotub basically turns it into a Rube Goldberg Machine

Quote:


Rube Goldberg machine: ​named after American cartoonist Rube Goldberg, is a chain reaction-type machine or contraption intentionally designed to perform a simple task in an indirect and overly complicated way.







Thanks for your opinion.


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob] * 3
    #27432723 - 08/18/21 06:27 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

boomerbob said:
au·to·ma·tion - noun the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Please enlighten me as to how they are "very automated by nature".




It would be my pleasure.

au·to·ma·tion

noun

the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Monotubs are equipment that are used for the production of mushrooms, this equipment, despite lacking electricity, is automated.


What we are trying to tell you is that this is not an opinion.

Tubs are are 100% self contained, self sufficient, self regulating, self himidifying, fresh air exchanging environments.

By properly hydrating your substrate at an appropriate depth you are creating a moist/humid environment. This environment will maintain the appropriate humidity throughout the fruiting cycle.

The holes allow for warm air created by your culture to travel up and out of the holes situated at the top of your tub, as well as the gaps between your lid; as the warm air leaves through the top holes fresh air comes in through the holes situated at substrate level.

This is passive automation, it is designed to not require active automation. The addition of automated humidifiers and fresh air exchangers actually inhibits the efficiency of the tub, I have never once saw a tub automated by the addition of some contraption out perform a dialed mono.

This has been tested and gone over ad nauseum for decades. It's not a novel idea. This is not an opinion.

Opinion:
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a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.




Furthermore:

Taping or painting the exterior of your tub is useless, pins will only form along the side and bottom if you allow for uneven contact of the substrate to the tub  which allows for very small, very moist air pockets to form. These small pockets are ideal locations for pins to form.

Remove the possibility of side and bottom pining by insuring direct contact of the substrate to a plastic liner that will cling to the moist substrate, preventing air pockets, which prevents side/bottom pins.

Plastic liners such as garbage bags will shrink as the substrate shrinks while transferring water from the sub into the fruits. This way the edges will not pull away from the tub walls creating an opportunity for side pins.

900wet grams is not considered a good first flush.

With a dialed mono and a good culture I expect to get ~2000-3500gr first flush.

My starting water is 5000 grams and I want ~70% of that transfered into fruit which is 3500 wet grams, subtract 92% water weight (3500gr) to desication is: 280 dry grams, this is a good flush.

At 2000gr: 2000-92% (1840)= 160 dry gr.

I would consider my tub an absolute failure if I didn't pull at least 1/4lb dry first flush.

A 900 gr flush - 92% water weight (828gr)= is 72 dry grams which is well below my min of 112 dry grams/tub.

These "automated" tubs never match the performance of a passively automated tub, my dehydrator is processing more water than what you have in your flush.


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27432748 - 08/18/21 07:10 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Can we give the guy a break and let him say monotubs aren't normally automated? Do we really need to pick that fight? Come on...

But maybe I'm just saying that because I agree a little bit. As someone who has built a few automated electronic devices, I don't think of monotubs as automated because they don't change state at all. Maybe "steady state" is a word for them since once dialed, they keep a constant good condition. (Except for that stupid condensation on the walls... welcome to pseudomonas.)

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: gone-pear-shaped] * 5
    #27432750 - 08/18/21 07:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

No breaks for noob technology, especially when posted in advanced mycology.

Edit:

We are not the only ones reading this conversation, accuracy and attention to detail are required for those who use the search function looking for advice.

When a new grower searches "automated monotub" they will find this thread. Automated tubs suck.

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27439264 - 08/23/21 07:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

+1 monotubs are pretty much automated already.  Taking something that is beautifully simple/effective and adding to it does not mean it is advanced or an improvement.  Less is more sometimes.

I am by no means an expert mycologist but I consider MANY of the folks I read on this specific forum to be very intelligent and innovative.  The title of this thread piqued my interest but I did not find any of the ideas within to be advanced, new or innovative.  Plenty of folks have something very similar to this, myself included, and yeah... it worked... but there's reasons no one really does it...

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: Birdman7]
    #27468103 - 09/14/21 01:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Five weeks from first flush, and still getting decent plucks from this tub.  I don't do any upkeep :cool:



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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27468112 - 09/14/21 01:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

TLDR

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p9hu7 said:
Quote:

boomerbob said:
au·to·ma·tion - noun the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Please enlighten me as to how they are "very automated by nature".




It would be my pleasure.

au·to·ma·tion

noun

the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.

Monotubs are equipment that are used for the production of mushrooms, this equipment, despite lacking electricity, is automated.


What we are trying to tell you is that this is not an opinion.

Tubs are are 100% self contained, self sufficient, self regulating, self himidifying, fresh air exchanging environments.

By properly hydrating your substrate at an appropriate depth you are creating a moist/humid environment. This environment will maintain the appropriate humidity throughout the fruiting cycle.

The holes allow for warm air created by your culture to travel up and out of the holes situated at the top of your tub, as well as the gaps between your lid; as the warm air leaves through the top holes fresh air comes in through the holes situated at substrate level.

This is passive automation, it is designed to not require active automation. The addition of automated humidifiers and fresh air exchangers actually inhibits the efficiency of the tub, I have never once saw a tub automated by the addition of some contraption out perform a dialed mono.

This has been tested and gone over ad nauseum for decades. It's not a novel idea. This is not an opinion.

Opinion:
Quote:

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.




Furthermore:

Taping or painting the exterior of your tub is useless, pins will only form along the side and bottom if you allow for uneven contact of the substrate to the tub  which allows for very small, very moist air pockets to form. These small pockets are ideal locations for pins to form.

Remove the possibility of side and bottom pining by insuring direct contact of the substrate to a plastic liner that will cling to the moist substrate, preventing air pockets, which prevents side/bottom pins.

Plastic liners such as garbage bags will shrink as the substrate shrinks while transferring water from the sub into the fruits. This way the edges will not pull away from the tub walls creating an opportunity for side pins.

900wet grams is not considered a good first flush.

With a dialed mono and a good culture I expect to get ~2000-3500gr first flush.

My starting water is 5000 grams and I want ~70% of that transfered into fruit which is 3500 wet grams, subtract 92% water weight (3500gr) to desication is: 280 dry grams, this is a good flush.

At 2000gr: 2000-92% (1840)= 160 dry gr.

I would consider my tub an absolute failure if I didn't pull at least 1/4lb dry first flush.

A 900 gr flush - 92% water weight (828gr)= is 72 dry grams which is well below my min of 112 dry grams/tub.

These "automated" tubs never match the performance of a passively automated tub, my dehydrator is processing more water than what you have in your flush.






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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob]
    #27471455 - 09/17/21 08:26 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Too long didn't read?  Really? 

Sounds like the reply of a closed minded person who's just salty because no one was impressed with your efforts.  Maybe you should read it, because p9hu7 has probably been growing since before your first trip... I'm gonna stick with the 'Trusted Cultivator' badge on this, good luck with your rube goldberg monotubs homie.

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob] * 2
    #27471549 - 09/17/21 09:50 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

That's not an appropriate response when you're educated, say thank you.

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27489275 - 10/01/21 09:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

@boomerbob what they are telling you is accurate BUT your system is not pointless.

you need a similar setup for running exotics. cubes are dogshit compared to most other psilocybes or panaelous. I highly recommend you run some tampanenis in that hoe brother


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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: fossilshark] * 1
    #27489914 - 10/02/21 01:11 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

keep it simple is the best way

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Re: Automated Monotub [Re: boomerbob]
    #27491487 - 10/03/21 08:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Cool!


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