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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #27420648 - 08/09/21 07:43 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Man that’s awesome, what a great job or even just opportunity.


Aeruginascin is the only one I’m interested in. Every since I saw that old report about how a bunch of people are them and there were ZERO negative experiences I’ve been wanting to get a hold of some. The one species that has it is supposed to be super tough to grow though.


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    #27420671 - 08/09/21 08:02 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: LifeUnderAwno]
    #27420757 - 08/09/21 09:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

There are maoi inhibitors in psilocybe mushrooms?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #27420902 - 08/09/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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analysis of natalensis were weird because they never post on alkaloids, plus most of these labs are either tariffed to death by governments or they do not want to disclose these information, imo its step in right direction.

i contact them waiting on response maybe they give out something, now i am curious too :laugh2:

i can not get malt extract in my country so one of these lab people once helped me to dial down PDA for fungus and i am really hoping they give out more info




just use grain soak water and itll work great :wink:

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I have no idea if natalensis contains aeruginascin, I think A.k.a was just speculating due to the anecdotal differences in effects.





This.


Exceptionally positive trips seem to be pretty common with natal from what we’ve had reported here.




interesting hypothesis!!!

ive been working on some projects with an analytical chemist in the cannabis and hops industries, specializes in finding novel compounds (pretty fuckin cool huh?), but is definitely capable of identifying the presence of something if we know what we are looking for

i will hit him up about running some tests to see if we can verify the presence of aeruginascin in natals. 

any other compounds worth lookin for besides Baeocystin and norbaeocystin?





i got PDA working for me and using dextrose at 10% can inhabit production of psilocybin, and that helps a lot during extraction of alkaloids, i am trying myself too.

since A.K.A got us hooked on finding aeruginascin

at the moment used B+ 15g dry mushroom powder

used dark extraction method with 95% ethanol combine with distilled water

total solvent solution 150ml where ethanol is 75%

solution was agitated for 8 minutes and

left in dark place for 24 hours

exposing to light now and will start evaporation of ethanol

got green alkaloids of B+ with blue and brown all psilocybin will be evaporated with alcohol and oxidize in coming hours.





going to use same method for natalensis

using dark extraction method upon evaporation of psilocybin there should be purple or light purple line in liquid somewhere indicating presence of aeruginascin

i am not using methanol since lab assistants say it does not extracts as good as ethanol.

B+ is a cube and it will be used as control for comparsion with natalensis

and A.K.A is right about a lot of things( grew up growing reading his advice) and my hypothesis are same natalensis contain aeruginascin these mushroom are already weird hybrid looking things, and since lab's are not willing to release info on "alkaloid analysis of natalensis" there is more than one way to skin a cat.

i have no idea, what's melting point of aeruginascin and sensitivity to light i am still digging on that info, but i believe dark extraction with no exposure to light can reveal the purple line since aeruginascin is stable at room temperature and it takes about 48 hours for aeruginascin to be extracted from shroom powder. 

besides Baeocystin and norbaeocystin there are about 600 alkaloids in shrooms i wanna know which one contribute to "motor neuron" growth, when i am getting better i am never going back to networking job, this shit here is the real deal :snoopyes:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27420911 - 08/09/21 11:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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There are maoi inhibitors in psilocybe mushrooms?






MAOIs, previously only known to be a component of ayahuasca, have now also been found in magic mushrooms. Since both psilocin and DMT are inactivated by MAOs, both of these compounds are potentiated by the inhibition of MAOs



https://psychedelictimes.com/potentiating-psilocybin-entourage-effect/


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: pesa]
    #27420955 - 08/09/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Confusing but very interested!

I thought that you ingested Maoi Maoa or maob inhibitors before consuming Dmt or psilo to make it active (Dmt) or stronger (psilohusca).

Not that they also occured in the mushroom's themselves! That's amazing


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27421016 - 08/09/21 01:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

shrooms are package deal they bring every thing with them :aweyeah:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27421047 - 08/09/21 01:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Also opens a whole new venue where one can describe them as less safe to consume. To criticize their safety.

A lot of people are critical of maox inhibition, I've also encountered this view in the psychedelic community which generally has a lot of experience and knowledge of such subjects.
And ain't afraid to test themselves.

The general gist of Maox inhibition scare is that they can make prescription drugs or even food toxic and dangerous.

My single time with psilohusca ended up with me running half naked, no shoes, through a large urban city, surrounded by moving platforms, vanishing doors, entrances that would disappear or move as I closed in on them.

Yeah. Nightmareland.

I even urinated on myself, lost my sweater and was "saved" by a Gypsy beggar who gave me his sweater.

At the ER I thought the GPA was a narc, that they were gonna kill me, etc

So I never repeated it.

Floating aztec symbols filling your visibility to nothing.. ah man it's almost scary to think about years late



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    #27421059 - 08/09/21 01:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: LifeUnderAwno]
    #27421324 - 08/09/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Aeruginascin or N,N,N-trimethyl-4-phosphoryloxytryptamin its closely related to Bufotenidine, also known as 5-hydroxy-N,N,N-trimethyltryptammonium (5-HTQ), Aeruginascin  occurs naturally within the mushroom Inocybe aeruginascens (very difficult to cultivate) it might be occurring in Psilocybe natalensis but its difficult to get full alkaloid analysis.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: pesa]
    #27421365 - 08/09/21 04:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

If mescaline hits the same receptors that’s interesting. San Pedro tea is my all time favorite.


Never had anything close to a bad experience and even at doses so high I couldn’t see through a tornado of colors and could feel invisible walls it was always gentle enough that I was never nervous dosing and not knowing how much it was each time.


There’s no way I’d take lsd like that, knowing I could be taking one hit or I could be taking 10.


I also never felt sick at all from mescaline. I actually used to longboard around town for the few hours it took to kick in.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #27421465 - 08/09/21 05:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

trip on Aeruginascin and Bufotenidine would be same? i never trip on any thing except for shrooms, after reading that kind a feeling left out.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: pesa] * 1
    #27421526 - 08/09/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe other compounds again remove the nausea or lack of them allow them, making some species both more prone to good or bad trips, and nausea.

We *kinda* knew or expected there to be differences in this already.

And many super shroome humans also consume copious amounts of cannabis, further complicating the nausea picture.

Then there's a psychology/mind body perspective, if you are feeling super good overall even pretty strong nausea might be defeated or go in the background of sanguinely elevated feelings of cosmic joy.

The best thing is that this furthers a unified plant compound theory, where entourage effects and genetic variety allows for a great flexibility and depth in psychoactive effects.
It adds onto what many believe about cannabis, that CBD modulates THC and there's a "perfect", or at least enjoyable balance to be found and had.

I often ask myself the question what would be the evolutionary advantage just like people say "follow the money",

And the question is what is the evolutionary advantage of these compounds that require energy for the life form to create, and have such profound effects on humans, bot I see no help in them otherwise

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: LifeUnderAwno]
    #27421532 - 08/09/21 06:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the informative post.

Here's a neat article that outlines the "hystamine hypothesis" to explain Wood Lover's Paralysis (along with a few other possible explanations). Allegedly some users on this very forum have successfully used Benadryl to relieve their WLP symptoms.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: trampingtrillions] * 1
    #27421896 - 08/09/21 10:53 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)



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    #27421908 - 08/09/21 11:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #27422988 - 08/10/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

So Adrenognome, you were asking how that 56qt worked out..  :babypalm:

Worst yield and pinset in my entire life,  pools of metabolites in inches of fluffy, tangled myc, and the box digesting my mushrooms before they could mature...  It was horridly fascinating.
Day I was going to harvest what did grow:

Already my stems and caps that contacted the myc are being overgrown.   less than 24hrs later and it's eating the mush like crazy.  Harvested like what will likely be a dry ounce. :tryingnottodie:
Had to dig decaying fruits out of the myc and not a single cap was allowed to mature lol.  Full harvest with a  border of weird playa mutants.
Myc covered fruits:


Myc covered everything:

Then my 16qt and a shoebox exploded with Trich.  I  never get trich,  but I  wanted to play with T1s and grow in a house with ridiculous temperature spikes so I asked for that.  Was my turn anyway lol.  Back to the drawing board...

PS: ridiculously potent though.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
    #27422995 - 08/10/21 05:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I was just about to say I bet those are super strong though. That’s the exact type of tub I grew tons of until I went back to spore. Took forever, tons of metabolites and puffy myc, shitty yield, but god damn did they melt your face off.


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    #27423002 - 08/10/21 05:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Man you're not kidding.  Had a 1g tester tea earlier this morning and it hit hard.  I was out harvesting firewood in the rain and the sound of it falling was suddenly like a soft voice.  Started to get some visuals and a  wonderful body high and wished I would have waited for tonight to take like 2g instead.  :evil:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27423010 - 08/10/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Man that sounds good. I just harvested some of my new regularish natal culture and haven’t tried them yet to compare, might be time.



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