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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: budmanman]
#27419787 - 08/08/21 02:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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budmanman said: They were, and they were buying really dumb shit with the money, poor people don't know how to management money and they didn't have to pay their rent or mortgage if they didn't want to with the stroke of a keyboard, then it dropped to 300 extra instead of 600, so at that point they were making close to the same as before.
Instead of saving up for the impending consequences of the shut down, they blew it on all kinds of shit, a lot of them on crypto, of which were dumb top buyers.
luckily we have you to tell them how to spend their money.
They should have listened but no body does,
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26875468/page/1
An easy 4x or more on this bad boy.
good call haha, nice
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27419791 - 08/08/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I was a vaccine salesman I would make sure that all the research comes out saying my vaccine is the best and better than natural immunity. I mean I am trying to sell vaccines and I am a billionaire so I will just pay the scientists to come out with the results I desire, also I will make sure I am financially immune from any consequences from my vaccine, of which I am trying to sell, as much as possible of so that I can get a boat to park my boat in.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: feevers]
#27419793 - 08/08/21 02:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Antibody responses elicited by natural infection or vaccination against the same target are known to differ. However, the extent to which antibody responses to the SARS-CoV-2 receptor binding domain (RBD) differ between vaccination and infection has not been fully characterized. Here, Greaney et al. demonstrated that neutralizing antibodies elicited by immunization with the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine were more focused to the RBD than those elicited by natural infection. However, vaccination-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of epitopes within the RBD than infection-elicited antibodies. These findings demonstrate that the type of exposure, including different types of vaccines or infection, can influence the antibody response to SARS-CoV-"
this study looks at human immunity vs vaccine activity against the spike protein, not the nucleocapsid. The idea of broad spectrum isn't to get better at selecting the same site, its about attacking it from different angles so you don't cause a runaway evolution in one direction of survival, such as only attacking spike protein antigens.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: budmanman]
#27419795 - 08/08/21 02:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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budmanman said: If I was a vaccine salesman I would make sure that all the research comes out saying my vaccine is the best and better than natural immunity. I mean I am trying to sell vaccines and I am a billionaire so I will just pay the scientists to come out with the results I desire, also I will make sure I am financially immune from any consequences from my vaccine, of which I am trying to sell, as much as possible of so that I can get a boat to park my boat in.
This is muddying the waters. Not what I'm doing.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
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"Antibody responses elicited by natural infection or vaccination against the same target are known to differ. However, the extent to which antibody responses to the SARS-CoV-2 receptor binding domain (RBD) differ between vaccination and infection has not been fully characterized. Here, Greaney et al. demonstrated that neutralizing antibodies elicited by immunization with the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine were more focused to the RBD than those elicited by natural infection. However, vaccination-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of epitopes within the RBD than infection-elicited antibodies. These findings demonstrate that the type of exposure, including different types of vaccines or infection, can influence the antibody response to SARS-CoV-"
this study looks at human immunity vs vaccine activity against the spike protein, not the nucleocapsid. The idea of broad spectrum isn't to get better at selecting the same site, its about attacking it from different angles so you don't cause a runaway evolution in one direction of survival, such as only attacking spike protein antigens.
Holy shit did you not read this? It literally says the vaccine induced antibodies that target a broader range of epitopes.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
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"Antibody responses elicited by natural infection or vaccination against the same target are known to differ. However, the extent to which antibody responses to the SARS-CoV-2 receptor binding domain (RBD) differ between vaccination and infection has not been fully characterized. Here, Greaney et al. demonstrated that neutralizing antibodies elicited by immunization with the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine were more focused to the RBD than those elicited by natural infection. However, vaccination-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of epitopes within the RBD than infection-elicited antibodies. These findings demonstrate that the type of exposure, including different types of vaccines or infection, can influence the antibody response to SARS-CoV-"
this study looks at human immunity vs vaccine activity against the spike protein, not the nucleocapsid. The idea of broad spectrum isn't to get better at selecting the same site, its about attacking it from different angles so you don't cause a runaway evolution in one direction of survival, such as only attacking spike protein antigens.
Holy shit did you not read this? It literally says the vaccine induced antibodies that target a broader range of epitopes.
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However, vaccination-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of epitopes within the RBD than infection-elicited antibodies.
yea in the spike protein. thats like saying natural immunities chop off one arm and the vaccine does both
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost] 1
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I don’t know what that means
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: koods]
#27419846 - 08/08/21 02:36 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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vaccination isn't just a stronger natural immunity, its a pronounced expression of one mechanism of attack natural immunity has.difference between a broad spectrum of attack rather then a broader attack via one mechanism.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
#27419848 - 08/08/21 02:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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i feel like I should just keep posting these studies and reiterate, i am vaccinated, i think it's safe, teh most dangerous thing about covid was it showed how many people suck at applying science in their lives and would rather get angry at their fellow humans instead of acknowledging real research and real consequences that can occur.
those chickens look cramped, along with the lost of chickeness potential, I'd imagine worse in the lab settings.
I have a small working chicken flock(around 30 heads) that helps me to manage the soil, they started as a donated trio 2 years ago & are all unvaccinated from start, all I did is provide them the environment & space with plant diversity, from there on they manage themselves & know what they need to peck to boost their bodies.
I have a split opinion as you do, but not against the vaccines in the same sense I view stem cells, which seems a tool for us to buy time until we fix the root of the problem. by that with the little I have, I have grown away from antibiotics/medicated feeds, chem ferts & pesticides which tilt the soil biome below and above to a great degree. seeing good results doing so while inviting diversity from top & below. I had a fair share of struggles following this model from the start.
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paradoxlost said: what if all these 90% perfect vaccines result in a disease that kills you in 3 minutes.
In comparison to your provided link, a much up-to-date study I've just dug in conjunction with my last post in this thread after experiencing a less severe case.
https://www.poultryworld.net/Health/Articles/2020/3/Leaky-vaccines-help-prevent-Mareks-disease-transmission-552636E/ https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/leaky-vaccines-part-in-marek-s-disease-management https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7058279/
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In a separate study from Singapore, researchers found that while Delta viral loads were similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, the viral loads decreased faster in the vaccinated group.
Important point. Even if vaccinated people shed virus like the unvaccinated, if you are shedding virus half as long you are half as infectious.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
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paradoxlost said: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous
i feel like I should just keep posting these studies and reiterate, i am vaccinated, i think it's safe, teh most dangerous thing about covid was it showed how many people suck at applying science in their lives and would rather get angry at their fellow humans instead of acknowledging real research and real consequences that can occur.
those chickens look cramped together with the lost chickeness potential, I'd imagine worse in the lab settings.
I have a small working chicken flock(around 30 heads) that helps me to manage the soil, they started as a donated trio 2 years ago & are all unvaccinated from start, all I did is provide them the environment & space with plant diversity, from there on they manage themselves & know what they need to peck to boost their bodies.
I have a split opinion as you do, but not against the vaccines in the same sense I view stem cells, which seems a tool for us to buy time until we fix the root of the problem. by that with the little I have, I have grown away from antibiotics/medicated feeds, chem ferts & pesticides which tilt the soil biome below and above to a great degree. seeing good results doing so while inviting diversity from top & below. I had a fair share of struggles following this model from the start.
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paradoxlost said: what if all these 90% perfect vaccines result in a disease that kills you in 3 minutes.
In comparison to your provided link, a much up-to-date study I've just dug in conjunction with my last post in this thread after experiencing a less severe case.
https://www.poultryworld.net/Health/Articles/2020/3/Leaky-vaccines-help-prevent-Mareks-disease-transmission-552636E/ https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/leaky-vaccines-part-in-marek-s-disease-management https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7058279/
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In a separate study from Singapore, researchers found that while Delta viral loads were similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, the viral loads decreased faster in the vaccinated group.
Important point. Even if vaccinated people shed virus like the unvaccinated, if you are shedding virus half as long you are half as infectious.
the NIH study is over a year old.
I'm not against being vaccinated. I'm against being called a retard for demonstrating a very basic natural process.
also you know as a chicken farmer the best way to not lose chickens is controlling environment. Sure vaccinate if you need too, I'm not against it. There ris a very real argurment to be made though, if you go down that route and don't get off that path, you will eventually lose your roost
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
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If its a very basic natural process can you show us where it's happened in human species more than once?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27419861 - 08/08/21 02:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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sexually transmitted diseases
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
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Yea its crazy how AIDS is killing more people than ever it's so sad right.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: Yea its crazy how AIDS is killing more people than ever it's so sad right.
yea how'd that vaccine work out.
also look at herpes numbers
or better yet HPV, and it has a vaccine. Although there is most likely a cure for it.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
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AIDS resides in white blood cells and is a retrovirus you do know that right? Also what do herpes numbers have to do with anything besides you trying to sound right about something? Is herpes more dangerous now? That is all you need to answer
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: AIDS resides in white blood cells and is a retrovirus you do know that right? Also what do herpes numbers have to do with anything besides you trying to sound right about something? Is herpes more dangerous now? That is all you need to answer
So it has happened before in the past, awesome. thanks, tahts all i needed to konw.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
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What's happened in the past?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27419880 - 08/08/21 02:52 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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viruses that have evolved to be either more virulent or more deadly, such as cholera .
if the deadly symptom helps the virus spread, such as shitting and vomitting harder and harder and harder, help it spread (idk maybe sneezing or some shit like that) there is a massive possibility if it evolves to be more virulent it would evolve to be more deadly.
herpes evovled to be more virulent and less deadly cause it spread skin to skin. it needs living people to touch each other.
what else can i do?
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: paradoxlost]
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paradoxlost said: viruses that have evolved to be either more virulent or more deadly, such as cholera .
if the deadly symptom helps the virus spread, such as shitting and vomitting harder and harder and harder, help it spread (idk maybe sneezing or some shit like that) there is a massive possibility if it evolves to be more virulent it would evolve to be more deadly.
herpes evovled to be more virulent and less deadly cause it spread skin to skin. it needs living people to touch each other.
what else can i do?
Tell me about the viruses that did what you're afraid of covid doing (more virulant and deadly) and ones that occured in human not animals
Fun fact cholera is caused by a bacteria not a virus. So try again.
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Re: COVID-19 aka. SARS-CoV-2 - Main Thread on the Novel Coronavirus Pandemic PART 2 (Delta Wave 2021) [Re: bodhisatta]
#27419891 - 08/08/21 02:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The flu virus. H1N1
I guess the term would be antigenetic drift.
anything else you need
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