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Re: Magic mushrooms vs Diazepam for anxiety and depression [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27429210 - 08/15/21 01:10 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, St johns wort and prozac together wouldn't be good.
Holy basil is something I'd like to try and can be grown indoors, looks interesting.
Bacopa can be grown in an aquarium.... your giving me ideas Creon.
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CreonAntigone said: Ashwagandha also seems to really help anxiety in some although it increases it for others so one should use more caution with it.
Interesting you say that, chamomile makes me a bit more jittery/nervous, but I think it helps in a way to calm. Its difficult to describe.
Edited by shuna (08/15/21 02:35 PM)
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Re: Magic mushrooms vs Diazepam for anxiety and depression [Re: shuna]
#27430550 - 08/16/21 04:48 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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shuna said: Holy basil is something I'd like to try and can be grown indoors, looks interesting.
Bacopa can be grown in an aquarium.... your giving me ideas Creon.
I'm just absolutely addicted to Indian herbs. The Indian traditional medical system is fascinating because everything is herbs or polyherbal combinations, some of which are extremely sophisticated - we're talking mixes of 20 or more herbs, some of them dangerous in the wrong proportions. So all these herbs have basically been 'bred' for medical use. Most of these plants contain either alkaloids or if not, highly psychoactive terpenoids/flavonoids. For example they use shikaki, a plant in the Acacia family which is a natural source of nicotine.
Most of the ones popular in the west are pretty safe though. In fact, the irony is that most of the western 'supplement' market is just pretending they discovered these. For example Joe Rogan sells a 'brain supplement' but the main ingredient is just bacopa. Instead of his mix though, one would save money just buying a thing of bacopa powder from an Indian market and mixing it with other Indian herbs such as Ashwagandha. I highly recommend the brand Himalaya, available on amazon. They do really strong extracts of these herbs, their little herb capsules can be taken whole or chewed. Another fun fact, Ashwagandha has been clinically proven to raise testosterone levels, one of the only supplements in the world to do so. It does so by lowering stress and not by increasing it directly, meaning it is great for exercise-related stress.
Holy basil I think goes great with shroom tea. It has a strong flavor that somehow doesn't disguise the taste of mushrooms but makes them pleasant.
Edited by CreonAntigone (08/16/21 05:03 PM)
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Re: Magic mushrooms vs Diazepam for anxiety and depression [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27432726 - 08/18/21 06:35 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry to thread jack a bit OP.
I asked my Dr for valium. I have chronic muscle pain related to a compressed disk. So yeah, I'm looking for a muscle relaxer for it while I try to get a surgeon to look at a disk replacement. I also get a lot of anxiety though I think it's mostly related to said pain and not feeling heard in regards to that pain and being on parole and not being able to manage my pain the way I used too (with weed).
So Kava and/or Ashwagandha might be an option here? Any idea if either of these is going to fuck up a UA?
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: Magic mushrooms vs Diazepam for anxiety and depression [Re: paperbackwriter]
#27433563 - 08/18/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Sorry to thread jack a bit OP.
I asked my Dr for valium. I have chronic muscle pain related to a compressed disk. So yeah, I'm looking for a muscle relaxer for it while I try to get a surgeon to look at a disk replacement. I also get a lot of anxiety though I think it's mostly related to said pain and not feeling heard in regards to that pain and being on parole and not being able to manage my pain the way I used too (with weed).
So Kava and/or Ashwagandha might be an option here? Any idea if either of these is going to fuck up a UA?
Kava is a very strong muscle relaxer. I can't speak to its usefulness because I haven't tried it, but I will say it is probably the most psychoactive of the GABA herbs. The erowid page would be the most helpful for that. It might be too sedating for regular use.
IMO the 'strongest' muscle relaxer of any I've tried is blue skullcap, it really works and knocks you out. I think it is infinitely less addicting than valium so if it works it'd be a good option. Lemon balm and chamomile are the same thing but much less active so you'd be less likely to feel them.
Ashwagandha is kind of like a different thing, its mechanisms for dealing with stress are a bit different. It's still quite useful though. I'd say it's worth trying and has relatively low risks. It is best with exercise, it really does increase testosterone at high doses so be careful. I've tried both low doses and very high doses of it, very high doses are physically safe but can induce irritation and anxiety due to its action on hormones. As a daily medication, a low dose of ashwagandha can work wonders however. A study suggested it is best after exercise.
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Re: Magic mushrooms vs Diazepam for anxiety and depression [Re: Russ101]
#27433584 - 08/18/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Russ, You are myself 10 years ago! I begged God for death every single day for 3 years. 3rd degree burns all over my face and body cannot compare to the suffering possible in one's own mind! Yes Mushrumes WILL LIKELY HELP YOU! That is a FACT! It is also a fact that if you take too many grams, say > 3. even 4 grams of say B+, you are going to be borderline freaking out and feeling trapped until you come down, ~ 4.5 hours later. So increment your dose in Capsule form to keep a handle on it.
Next lesson I learned. Nobody comes to God on their Feet! They all come crawling on the ground weeping and sobbing and begging for death! If you are not yet a believer in Jesus Christ as your Risen Lord and Savior, meaning God in the flesh, then you need to read a Gospel, any 1 of 4 and plant the seed to later decide about that. I like John or Luke best. John and Matthew were original disciples, not students of them as were Luke and Mark.
You do not need to attend Church. You do not need to be Holy. You cannot be as long as you have flesh, so give that up and live in grace in Jesus. You are still going to sin every day! The difference is you will feel bad about it. Ladies will still give you a Boner. You should meet some believers to hang with. There you will find a very fine Lady, who loves you and who also loves Jesus! You have not yet experienced the love of your life young man! She is going to try to hump you to death, and if you die during that joyful time, you will die a happy man, I guarantee!
Never give up. Never surrender! Hold your head high while you are visiting with your daughter. DO NOT argue during divorce. That makes Lawyers rich! Just get over with dividing the property and setting custody and visitation. Yes there is a chance she may come back to you, and make you so happy! Always pray! Don't stop praying 24x7!
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Re: Magic mushrooms vs Diazepam for anxiety and depression [Re: Russ101]
#28235077 - 03/18/23 01:34 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Hey Russ!
I see that you are getting all sorts of advice, figured I'd add to the confusion with advice based on my own experience.
For a frame of reference, I'm officially diagnosed with anxiety disorder and medication resistant major depressive disorder. That just means I've ran the gamut of testing and medication and nothing worked. I've also tried herbs, spiritual stuff, martial arts.. ad nauseum. I hit pretty close to the bottom a while back, went to the hardware store to checkout all the pretty ropes they had on display.. you know.
So, just to keep this sort, instead of buying rope I bought a spore syringe and the things I needed to grow. While that was in the works I spent my time getting high and meditating. (That really improved things for me, but I still had too much trouble with depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts.)
When my mushrooms were ready, I took 2g. The trip was... indescribable, wonderful, cosmic and connected. On the other side of it, I was different but I couldn't (or was afraid to) understand exactly how. I've lived with anxiety and depression all my life, it took a few weeks of soul searching before I could begin to believe that it was gone. For the most part, it was. I no longer felt the draw to off myself either, actually, I felt at peace for the first time and able to roll with the ups and downs of life.
Did shrooms cure me? Nope. What they di do is open a doorway through which I could see myself more clearly. The helped me accept and understand who I am. It's not been an easy road to walk and there is no real end that I can see, but I'm kinda' digging just being alive now.
That was just from 2g. It's still my favorite dose and I'll do it every few months now, or just whenever it seems the time is right. I'm really of the opinion that to really benefit and relieve depression, you have to trip (there are studies supporting it), so, 2 to 3 grams along with some nice jams and a blanket.
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