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Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. * 1
    #27414887 - 08/04/21 10:32 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)



https://www.naturesfynd.com/

The best natural source of protein with all essential amino acids, which means is a complete source of protein. Is way more efficient to produce than animal protein. I'd like to buy a culture of that mushroom.

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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Mr. Alien] * 1
    #27414950 - 08/05/21 01:41 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Very cool. It would be interesting to try growing this at home. Also useful for pandemics and off the grid people. Imagine being able to grow protein like you bake bread! I hope the culture doesn't remain a trade secret forever.

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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27415889 - 08/05/21 07:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Nice ID like to grow fy


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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Eatshroomsoften]
    #27416256 - 08/06/21 12:58 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Yay, most of the info isn't a trade secret. I haven't read the patents yet, but the terms to search for are:

Inventor: Mark Kozubal
I think it was originally called "Fusarium oxysporum strain MK7", but I may be mixed up.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US10851396B2/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/US11001801B2/en

I just skimmed the patents, but it's clear that their procedure would not be economical for home use. Ain't nobody gonna buy a ton of chemicals for this. As usual, a procedure that's uneconomical at industrial scale would make more sense at home.

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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #27417826 - 08/07/21 06:28 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Explanation of how it could be anywhere near as efficient to produce the amount of protein even a simple chicken can provide let alone typical livestock like a cow


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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27422358 - 08/10/21 09:58 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I believe this is sold as the product Quorn, containing "mycoprotein". Fusarium is a soil dwelling mould.

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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Serpinfold]
    #27423359 - 08/10/21 09:03 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Quorn uses a different species of Fusarium than Fynd.

Generally mycoprotein is way more efficient than animal agriculture. Here's a comparison of Quorn products to other protein sources. (taken from https://www.quorn.co.uk/assets/files/content/Carbon-Trust-Comparison-Report-2018.pdf)


I'm sure it's difficult to produce mycoprotein at any scale, but Quorn brings in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year, so it's not impossible.


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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27424413 - 08/11/21 05:25 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Imagine being able to grow protein like you bake bread!




Imagine selling the protein locally $$$$$$$

We should go to Yellowstone ourselves and retrieve the culture.

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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #27424645 - 08/11/21 08:44 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

sounds interesting, i saw this a while back.. but id bet it turns out to be just a way to scam investors and governments, like most everything else marketed as "green"

imma just keep fermenting raw beef vietnamese style :smile:

so fuckin sour and delicious



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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #27429619 - 08/15/21 08:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

sounds really good c10.


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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #27433003 - 08/18/21 11:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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c10h12n2o said:
sounds interesting, i saw this a while back.. but id bet it turns out to be just a way to scam investors and governments, like most everything else marketed as "green"

imma just keep fermenting raw beef vietnamese style :smile:

so fuckin sour and delicious






Dude, gtfo with your dirty beef meat :P

We are here dreaming about growing our own vegan protein, and you come here with that pessimist attitude! Shame on you, btw that beef looks delicious lol.

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Re: Fusar­i­um strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #27434097 - 08/19/21 07:24 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Don't know why non-meat protein is reserved for vegans. Seems kind of exclusive.:hatsoff:


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Re: Fusarium strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Nichrome]
    #27569176 - 12/04/21 01:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I just can't grasp, in my mind, why they are patenting a discovery? You can't patent a discovery! You patent an invention. The process to make the fungus a complete protein is also a Discovery, like the ancient humans that discovered how to make beer by accident.

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Re: Fusarium strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #27569325 - 12/04/21 03:30 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

The ARS culture collection offers the exact parent strain used in Quorn for the cost of shipping. The only caveat is that they will only ship to a commercial address (no PO Boxes or mailbox rentals).

https://nrrl.ncaur.usda.gov

Anyone could theoretically ferment their own mycoprotein from this strain. The risk is that you need to ensure the product doesn't also produce mycotoxins which could kill your customers. That's not a risk I'd advise most diyers to take on without serious consideration.

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Re: Fusarium strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: PTreeDish]
    #27570131 - 12/05/21 09:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely, mycoprotein is more efficient and far more sustainable than protein derived from rearing animals. I didn't explore too much this Fy mycoprotein but they are using patented liquid-air interface fermentation. That technology doesn't seem so complicated but they are using too many chemicals for liquid broth. On the other side submerged fermentation used by Quorn if we talking about some garage setup will require at least a few hundred liters $$$airlift fermenter$$$ to yield a few dozens of kilos of mycoprotein per week. Maybe a cheap option will be aquaculture airlift pump with built-in few filters and sensors (temp, pH). Good thing is that a large number of acidophilic fungal species are highly resistant to contamination.
Perchance solid-state fermentation of aerial mycelium, like Atlast or MME is way to go for us small growers.

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Re: Fusarium strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Dabadava]
    #27570279 - 12/05/21 11:56 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Atlast




These guys are not even mentioning which fungi culture they are using to make that "meat", I guess they are also using flavolapis?

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Re: Fusarium strain flavolapis cultivation, the future of protein. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #27570412 - 12/05/21 01:53 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Yea man trade secrets. Atlast is Ecovative spinoff company, in their patents they mentioned a lot of strains, but I am sure that they are using oysters or some other common gourmet mushroom. Their strain is highly cultured for growing aerial mycelium, probably some that do not fruit which have more energy to spend in growing mycelium rather than generating mushrooms.
I would say in this case that strain is 1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration. You need to train the strain!

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