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Navajo witchcraft
    #2741299 - 05/28/04 01:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

does any one know of any good links or books about navajo withccraft or skinwalkers? much appreciated


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: moosehead]
    #2741670 - 05/28/04 03:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Dunno bout Navajo, but check out The tales of Don Juan by Carlos Castenada.
Good stuff.


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: moosehead]
    #2741687 - 05/28/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i have never seen a book on such...speaking of skinwalkers and the little people for natives tends to have some taboo connotations.


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: moosehead]
    #2742537 - 05/28/04 09:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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moosehead said:
does any one know of any good links or books about navajo withccraft or skinwalkers? much appreciated




you will not find any reliable information on indians and our rituals...

here is a little info, indians see whites as a people that steal the culture of others since you dont have your own, any rites you may read about in most books are based on fantasy or folklore... indians are tired of the whites taking from us and we feed you lies in order to have a wonderful laugh at your expense

my sister went to a sweat lodge with some whites, their idea... she laughed her ass off the entire time... it was the biggest bunch of hokey bullshit she had ever seen, white people trying to be indians

and indians do not practice witchcraft, whites with no culture of their own do


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2742636 - 05/28/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

American Indians are direct decendants of Noah's second son by some opinions and thereby share the shame...?

Distancing ourselves from the problem isn't to be part of the solution...I'd agree with that.

( well you know what I mean... that putting blame on others is easy)


Edited by castaway (05/28/04 09:35 PM)


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: moosehead]
    #2742648 - 05/28/04 09:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

so that I do not seem to be like all my brothers, I'll give you a link to a forum where you may ask many NDNZ about their culture... before you post your first message I will warn you, as a white or a black white man, you will not be very welcom there unless you follow a what is indian custom

your first post should be very polite, introduce yourself tell them about who you are, your family and your life... be very respectful of the people as that is what we are, we are not native americans, we are cheorkee, comanche, shoshoni, navajo, souix, chippewa and we are many more... please read the messages for a couple of weeks before you make your first post as you will feel very unwelcome

try your best not to allow anything said in a flame to bother you, as its a test of your courage and intellegence, they simply wish to test you, Indians are pranksters, we like to entertain ourselves and will bait you repeatedly to do stupid things so we can enjoy your squirming....

think very carefuly about what you will say before you post it as we will pick you apart if you are offensive to us... we are a very polite society, we always have been even when we are at war... once you are accepted into the forum, it may take a while, then you may ask a little at a time to get the answers you seek... do not back peddal on any answer you give, it's a sign of weakness and they will eat you alive... if you think OTD can be bad on flaming you you have not yet met an indian...


should you be asked why you are there, tell them you wish to learn, that a friend has sent you and that you mean no harm to them, if they are to inquire about your friend, explain that I am a Nemene (comanche) and cherokee, Nemene means 'the people' as do all of the names we have given our nations, the ones you are familiar with are given by whites....

please follow my advice or do not go to this site as you will find yourself out numbered and out gunned.... read first, ppost later, learn first about the respect these people deserve and you will be given the same respect when they feel you have earned it... they are good people and they are very distrusting of whites... I am reluctant but if you do as I advise you will find some useful information...

http://64.62.196.98/board/default.asp


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: castaway]
    #2742662 - 05/28/04 09:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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castaway said:
American Indians are direct decendants of Noah's second son by some opinions and thereby share the shame...?

Distancing ourselves from the problem isn't to be part of the solution...I'd agree with that.





that is not our story, that is the whites tale...

Coyote created the earth and the people with the help of crow and turtle... if you would like the story of the creation of the people I will share... our history doesnt involve us having shame and we had never heard of noah until the white jesuit preists cam and murdered our children under the pretense of helping by giving us blankets infected with small pox

we have a great many stories involving the people and what you call the animals of which they are just the original people... this is what I was refering to in my post to the other person... please do not try to inflict christianity on the indians... they never wanted it


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( well you know what I mean... that putting blame on others is easy)





could you please explain this...


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2742690 - 05/28/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Abdication of responsibility is easy.


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: moosehead]
    #2742708 - 05/28/04 09:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

aaah! you said the s word, watch your back


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: castaway]
    #2742726 - 05/28/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Abdication of responsibility is easy.




what responsibility... what are the indians responsible for, they were stripped of everything they had including 6million lives in less than a decade, the 'Hitler' responsible is honored by lacing his face on the $20... why should an indian trust a white man, broken treaties, reservations, stripped of our only means of feeding our families and even to this day the government is doing the same to my people....

I dont blame the white people, I try to pull to groups together and show htem that there shouldnt always be distrust of people, but always of government as they brought it upon the indians and they now are doing it to the whites....


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2742733 - 05/28/04 10:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Good point.. Jackson is, IMO, one of the worst presidents ever. It's amazing how respected he is even today..


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: vampirism]
    #2742781 - 05/28/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

it is because people are uneducated... one of the worst presidents ever is an understatement... I was suspended from school because I refused to learn any of the 'wonderful bullshit' about jackson and how although it was tragic only 4000-6000 people died on the trail of tears... 4000 survived the march, the biloxi nation was exterminated and they are no more.... the trail of tears is remembered because the Cherokee we considered to be one of the 'civilized' nations since we had a government that was structured similar to that of the US as well as a written language

were the american people outraged... no, why are they so upset about a few foriegners being tortured in a prison during a war... the indians were under a treaty of peace with the US and 6 million had died under the treaties... the seminole are the only ones that never signed one... they live in the everglades and should you ever venture into their land you may not return


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2742824 - 05/28/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What? the only reason you'd ever leave and never return in the everglades is because of aligators.
Everyone knows that us white hillfolk are the ones what has claim over the land, and its bounty of perty mouthed tourists


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Dreamer987]
    #2742914 - 05/28/04 10:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

who do you think the gators really are... its a story to put on the missing persons report when they cant locate the body... the seminole got them but since the seminole are never seen it must be gators...


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2742939 - 05/28/04 10:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)


no its just me, and txtec sometimes


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2742976 - 05/28/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

>it was the biggest bunch of hokey bullshit she had ever seen, white people trying to be indians
-Hey, thats quite a racist statement!  :thumbup:


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Dreamer987]
    #2743013 - 05/28/04 11:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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no its just me, and txtec sometimes




so when yo were tied to the tree with that knife at your throat were you scared... I know you had to be when they had you stripped down and bent over the log....


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2743028 - 05/28/04 11:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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>it was the biggest bunch of hokey bullshit she had ever seen, white people trying to be indians
-Hey, thats quite a racist statement!  :thumbup:




any more racist than saying white people trying to be black.... or rastafarian... its why most indians view white america as they do...


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2743053 - 05/28/04 11:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Just as racist.

I don't suppose you'd care to change your ways... for the same reason some white people are always going to refer to your people as red skinned head hunting alcoholics.

I don't think you're interested in dropping the stereotypes... but if you were, a good place to start would be yourself.


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Re: Navajo witchcraft [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2743066 - 05/28/04 11:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

no, i believe this is a confusion of cultures. Take an American and put him into the Amazon jungle near one of the native tribes.. It's ridiculous that he should "become" one of them.

Genetics, language, everything are tied into culture. If stereotypes are inherently bad, then so is culture.


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