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I have always loved the look of poppy and this thread has really got me wanting to grow some. How does the effect of drinking/smoking the poppy compair to kratom? If they are comparable.
Thanks!
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Re: 2021-2022 Poppy thread [Re: Zigzagzin] 1
#27983850 - 10/05/22 11:18 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Zigzagzin said: I have always loved the look of poppy and this thread has really got me wanting to grow some. How does the effect of drinking/smoking the poppy compair to kratom? If they are comparable.
Thanks!
They are quite different, but similar in ways. In my opinion and experience, Kratom is just as fun, is a great stimulant (actually motivating) and is much safer in all aspects than the poppy plant.
Papaver somniferum, in comparison, is incredibly sedating, will give you the nods, and has a similar analgesic/endorphin-like quality/physical euphoria to Kratom, although it can be much stronger when the dose is increased.
Poppies carry a way way way higher risk of physical and psychological dependence in my experience, and also much worse withdrawals. I’ve even heard heavy users say that poppy withdrawals are worse than heroin withdrawals (although I can’t confirm that).
So I would recommend you play it very safe with this plant. Mainly just don’t make the mistake of growing so much of it that it’ll last you a long time. For instance I would set myself the limit of about three plants, so that if I happened to get too involved with them, my supply would run out quickly.
Hope this helps
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Re: 2021-2022 Poppy thread [Re: Bardy] 2
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Awesome pics and beautiful grow! That fist one
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Re: 2021-2022 Poppy thread [Re: Nitro87] 1
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papaver orientale looks like. not sure they have the goodies just fyi
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Re: 2021-2022 Poppy thread [Re: the man] 2
#28002518 - 10/17/22 12:04 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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My bad I should’ve labeled the photos. The first two are of P.nudicaule The third is of P.somniferum & the last is just some weedy p.rhoeas
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I got my hands on some papaver somniferum (laurens grape) and Papaver rhoeas seeds (I know it dosnt have opium but I love poppies as a whole). I'm pretty stoked to finally get a chance to grow them. I was able to find most of the information needed via Google and by searching shroomery but have a few questions I wasn't able to find an answer to.
Can somniferum and rhoeas cross pollinate? I know different variants of somniferum can cross such as crossing danish flag with Persian white but I don't know about different species in the the same genius. I plan on planting both in my back yard and don't want them to mix.
How does smoking the opium compare to drinking poppy tea. I have read some comparisons, but I wanted to get a more recent comparisons of it. I saw a vague comparisons in a post roughly 17ish years ago.
Thank you for helping a poppy newb
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The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Zigzagzin] 1
#28005376 - 10/18/22 07:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It would be best to grow them apart, in seperate beds, as they can cross pollinate… The first time I grew those two together. The P.rhoeas dominated the following year, so that the same bed had nothing but reseeded p.rhoeas, despite the having plenty p.somniferum there the previous year.
I haven’t ever smoked the latex. Honestly eating the opium is strong enough as is. Tea is usually reserved for the dried pods, which I wouldn’t recommend smoking. Overall the Opium latex is certainly more powerful than the dried pods.
As with most things start low and see what works for you. Self control & regular intervals of abstinence is important too. As it really does not take long at all to develop a physical dependence.
All the best with the grow.
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Nickoloxious] 1
#28005514 - 10/18/22 08:53 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed. In my personal experience it only took a week of daily use to develop a mild, but noticeable physical dependence.. smoking anything is always more addictive and honestly gives pretty similar effects as eating in the case of opium. The onset of smoked opium is instantaneous, whereas the onset of eaten opium is anywhere from 0.5-5 minutes - not long to wait…
I will say that the flower petals contain a small amount of opium, and they don’t take long to dry because of how thin they are. I’ve found they are very nice to smoke - but very addictive.
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Bardy] 1
#28005700 - 10/19/22 12:35 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Strange, I’ve eaten quite a few of the flower petals on many occasions & haven’t noticed any sort of effect from them. Could it be of a certain variety?
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Nickoloxious]
#28005848 - 10/19/22 05:27 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the awesome responses! Hopefully in a couple of months I can report back with some good garden pics.
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Nickoloxious]
#28005857 - 10/19/22 05:55 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Nickoloxious said: Strange, I’ve eaten quite a few of the flower petals on many occasions & haven’t noticed any sort of effect from them. Could it be of a certain variety?
Unfortunately I’m completely unsure which variety I had as it was probably 8 years ago (could’ve been the big pink peony poppies or just the regular purple ones).
It’s possible I could’ve mixed in the green outer skin of the flower, which contains a considerable amount of opium itself. I used to harvest opium once before the flowers opened by cutting this green layer, and then again after the pods had ripened.
I don’t remember trying to eat only petals, but I’m almost sure I’ve felt the effects of opium from just smoking a handful of dried petals wrapped up in a cigarette paper. They’re actually very smooth.
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Bardy] 2
#28024041 - 10/30/22 06:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The Poppies that have grown from the scattered pods are doing really well so far.
  
Wish I could say the same for the ones I planted. They seem to have struggled a bit. I think the soil wasn't prepared too well and weeds are competing with the poppies which are already growing too close to one another.
 
I know they hate being transplanted, but I've decided it has to be done if these guys are going to get a chance to thrive... I've prepared a separate bed clearing all the grass and adding a good compost/soil mix. Tomorrow I'm going to delicately scoop up some of these poppies along with soil and transport them in trays to the new bed, making sure not to disturb the roots along the way. Will be focusing on thinning out the dense clusters so they have some room to grow out. My doggo was helping prepare the new bed;
  Somone's getting a bath.
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Nickoloxious]
#28026239 - 10/31/22 02:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Nice looking poppies and I dig your helper (all puns intended). I was reading through the 2020 poppy thread and read something that made me think about something I didn't consider before I bought seeds. Do some types of p. somniferum lend its self to more of an ornamental type in terms of lower yields and small pods vs "working" types that have larger/more pods with higher alkaloid contents. Below is the post that brought this to my attention.
Thanks for the help and look forward to seeing everyone's killer grows!
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sacramentum said: I have noticed that occasionally, I always assumed that it may have been caused by insects or something, but I never saw any visible insects associated with it so that may not be the case.
I'd like to point out some commonly available cultivars that are quite good for anyone new to poppy growing or looking to expand their collection. This is not a measured or scientific comparison, just my own opinions after growing these cultivars.
1. Peshawar: This is a traditional latex cultivar from the Peshawar region of Pakistan. Solid white flowers and white seeds Very fast flowering. Large pods with good latex yield. Medium to high potency. Maybe a bit more susceptible to fungus than other varieties. easy to find, sold by multiple vendors online.
2. Zahir: This is a traditional latex cultivar from Afghanistan. I've only grown this one a couple times. Purple flowers with dark purple basal blotch, blue seed. I would put it in the same category as the Peshawar in terms of latex yield and potency. Also available from multiple vendors online.
3. Black Swan: very common ornamental variety, available all around the US at nurseries and hardware stores. I believe the poppy openmind posted above is a black swan. Quite a respectable potency for such a widely available plant. I've even seen starter plants of these for sale in a nursery in california. cons small pods and low latex yield.
4. Lauren's grape: Also very easy to find ornamental cultivar. Similar to black swan in terms of having high potency, small pods and low latex yield
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#28026512 - 10/31/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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From my understanding there can be some variation between varieties. In terms of latex yield and pod shape. But most of them are going to have a viable level of activity. It’s difficult for breeders to produce consistently low yielding varieties & near impossible to completely breed the alkaloids out of the plant. Even then after further breeding it’s possible for the alkaloid content to revert over generations. I wouldn’t worry about it.
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#28026841 - 10/31/22 08:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'm planting some poppies early spring. I appreciate the info thanks guys.
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#28028931 - 11/02/22 03:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Good luck with your grow CapSlinger and make sure to post pics of your awesome garden!
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: Zigzagzin]
#28033682 - 11/05/22 01:46 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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if look back to study i posted. white seed are less potent on average iirc. wether one could even tell is another story lol.
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Re: The Official Poppy Growers Thread [Re: the man] 1
#28033823 - 11/05/22 05:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Thankfully most of the replanted ones are still alive. The dense patches that they were separated from appear to slowly pick up the pace in terms of growth. Hopefully all of them can keep up. Also, It's nothing special but it's still the first one to flower. A Danish flag cultivar by the looks of it.

Also spotted this loner which has re seeded from one of the garden beds from last year.
Edited by Nickoloxious (11/05/22 05:51 AM)
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