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InvisibleSwami
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Morality of John Edward
    #2740282 - 05/28/04 03:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Note: for the sake of this thread, let's all pretend that you agree with me that he is a fake. If you want to discuss otherwise, please start a new thread.

With that assumption, is the comfort he provides to the gullible grievers a service or a disservice?

Methinks you already know my position.


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2740349 - 05/28/04 04:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Im not sure if I can say either way whether he provides a service or a diservice.

Its difficult for me to accept that there is such a thing as 'false hope' or 'false comfort.' I mean what he does is certainly questionable, as far as validity and truth goes, but its arguably as much of an 'opiate for the masses' as many organised religions.

What do you think Swami?


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2740456 - 05/28/04 06:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

He is a menace. He should have private sessions instead of broadcast sessions of raving stupidity to the world. While comforting a few people he is giving thousands of others a very false perspective of the world. The damage is greater than the benefit.

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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2740625 - 05/28/04 09:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno about all that but I think he's a good man. I hope Kerry will nominate his as VP then he'll get a gaggle more votes for me to poop on.


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2740777 - 05/28/04 10:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2740782 - 05/28/04 10:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

question_for_joo said:
I dunno about all that but I think he's a good man. I hope Kerry will nominate his as VP then he'll get a gaggle more votes for me to poop on.




Wrong John Edward(s). Swami is talking about the guy on cable TV who pretends to be able to communicate with the dead. I think his show is called "Crossing Over".

I want to know how he's able to know the names of the people and details. Does the audience have to give them some information before the show, or is it all rigid? It would be interesting to see some kind of analysis on how those kinds of tricks are done.


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2741301 - 05/28/04 01:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:rotfl:  Thank you for that!  :lol:


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Twirling]
    #2741319 - 05/28/04 01:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I want to know how he's able to know the names of the people and details. Does the audience have to give them some information before the show, or is it all rigid? It would be interesting to see some kind of analysis on how those kinds of tricks are done.

I believe it's a simple carny trick called cold reading...


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2741868 - 05/28/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think if people feel comforted by his presumably fake readings, then there's nothing wrong with it for them. However, the fact that he profits and receives public attention for lying to people is, in my opinion, a little sleazy. If he truly cared about helping people and whatnot, he would do it free of profit and not recorded for television.

I don't even know how people can find his show interesting or amusing to watch. It's like peaking in on a fortune telling session of a stranger, only with very corny talkshow like qualities. But to each their own :smile:


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2742149 - 05/28/04 06:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If he's fake, then it does a disservice.

Ever see the episode of South Park where John Edwards was voted "Biggest Douche In The In The Universe"? Pretty funny stuff.

Someone that I know went to see him live. They said it costs something like $250 per person.


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Learyfan]
    #2742189 - 05/28/04 06:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
Someone that I know went to see him live. They said it costs something like $250 per person.




Big surprise there.


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2745564 - 05/30/04 02:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

he's exploiting people's grief for his own benefit...

he does the people who believe in him a great disservice by interfering with their grief processes...

like they said on that south park episode, he's the biggest douche in the universe


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Re: Morality of John Edward [Re: Swami]
    #2746341 - 05/30/04 12:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If something angers you it controls you!
He has found a way to make a living. As to whether it will result in good Karma, only time will tell.
There is nothing more perverse or fake about Edwards than we can find right here amongst ourselves. For an example;
Look at all the suppliers of stolen mycological supply ideas and teks(not directed at anyone in particular, floating around as if they themselves were the creator. They are not using creativity in the development of these ideas, however they may be creative in making money ie: consumerism. Does this make us angry?
Perhaps they have given in to a very powerful idol that provides them with their immediate needs, money can do that. Or perhaps they have lost sight of the fact that life does not happen to us but that we are a small integral part of the cosmic universe, ever expanding,and contracting.
Truth is free


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