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Drying with a freeze drier potency?
#27399342 - 07/23/21 03:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was wondering if anyone had any information as to whether or not drying with a freeze dryer had any proven benefits as far as potency is concerned. I’ve been looking for a study for quite some time now without any luck and would love any and all information available. I’d also love to hear from anyone currently using a freeze dryer to dry with. Do you love it, hate it, goods, bads? Thanks
Also, here is a really cool study that I found today. Probably old news for everyone but… https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Klara-Gotvaldova/publication/345725054_Stability_of_psilocybin_and_its_four_analogs_in_the_biomass_of_the_psychotropic_mushroom_Psilocybe_cubensis/links/60f418679541032c6d4a5ac5/Stability-of-psilocybin-and-its-four-analogs-in-the-biomass-of-the-psychotropic-mushroom-Psilocybe-cubensis.pdf?origin=publication_detail
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: Experimentor] 1
#27399366 - 07/23/21 03:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The main benefit of freeze drying is it helps keep their shape a lot better, and I've heard rumors the psilocin doesn't get degrade as readily as it's exposed to less oxygen during drying.
The only downside is the price of the machines I'd imagine
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: Experimentor]
#27399375 - 07/23/21 04:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Experimentor said: I was wondering if anyone had any information as to whether or not drying with a freeze dryer had any proven benefits as far as potency is concerned. I’ve been looking for a study for quite some time now without any luck and would love any and all information available. I’d also love to hear from anyone currently using a freeze dryer to dry with. Do you love it, hate it, goods, bads? Thanks
Also, here is a really cool study that I found today. Probably old news for everyone but…
I'm also interested because I tend to grow a lot of mushrooms, then dry and store them for months. Unless, of course, CA really does make "social sharing" legal 
The last sentence of the paper reads: "To improve the storage of dried mushrooms, they should be stored in an inert gas environment." But the work "inert" appears nowhere else in the article, so we don't know the basis of the statement or what inert gasses would be effective. It would be relatively easy to flood storage containers with CO2.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: sonoramo] 1
#27399405 - 07/23/21 04:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’ve used that keyboard cleaner called “duster” as an inert gas before. Put the mushies into a bag. Seal it most of the way but leave a corner unsealed. Spray in duster until full. Squeeze out as much as possible. Repeat that 2 or 3 times and then seal the bag. But to be honest if you’re going to be storing them for a long time a oxygen absorber and a little bag of desiccant works really well.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: Experimentor]
#27399406 - 07/23/21 04:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Freeze drying is supposed to be the best for drying shrooms in terms of potency and retaining the mushroom shape/form.
They are real expensive thou which is why no one uses them.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: Eclipse3130] 1
#27399411 - 07/23/21 04:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’ve heard a bunch of unconfirmed allegations that freeze dryers are like 20% better as far as psilocybin and 40% psilocyn. But that’s all word of mouth and not a single published study. I’m tempted to buy the freeze dryer just so I can try to put together a study to confirm lol
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: Experimentor]
#27399415 - 07/23/21 04:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm I've got a freeze dryer for making hash. Thought about putting some shrooms in there but it doesn't hold that much compared to my dehydrator I'm sure. May have to try It out though and see what's up. Would be cool to have some shrooms that are dry but look like there fresh.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: WyoMX]
#27399507 - 07/23/21 06:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let me know how it goes when you do! I’ll more than likely be buying one before the end of august and definitely be giving some reports.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: Experimentor]
#27399635 - 07/23/21 07:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Freeze dryers are very expensive for the size, like $5k for one that has a volume around the size of a cheap little dehydrator. $35k dollars for one that does reasonable volume. I bet the finished product is choice though.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: sonoramo]
#27399722 - 07/23/21 09:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sonoramo said:
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Experimentor said: I was wondering if anyone had any information as to whether or not drying with a freeze dryer had any proven benefits as far as potency is concerned. I’ve been looking for a study for quite some time now without any luck and would love any and all information available. I’d also love to hear from anyone currently using a freeze dryer to dry with. Do you love it, hate it, goods, bads? Thanks
Also, here is a really cool study that I found today. Probably old news for everyone but…
I'm also interested because I tend to grow a lot of mushrooms, then dry and store them for months. Unless, of course, CA really does make "social sharing" legal 
The last sentence of the paper reads: "To improve the storage of dried mushrooms, they should be stored in an inert gas environment." But the work "inert" appears nowhere else in the article, so we don't know the basis of the statement or what inert gasses would be effective. It would be relatively easy to flood storage containers with CO2.
Nitrogen is what is used to replace the oxygen in food storage
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: fahtster] 1
#27400097 - 07/24/21 09:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tim Laussmann et al. Forensic Sci Int., "Forensic analysis of hallucinogenic mushrooms and khat (Catha edulis Forsk) using cation-exchange liquid chromatography. You'll have to pay to view the entire PDF, but this link will provide a brief overview. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20047807/ Second link, same study- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073809004927?via%3Dihub
I freeze dry my fruits, for what it's worth. Personally, I find that the flavor is also much better, and closer to that of fresh mushrooms. The consistency of them is a little odd, similar to styrofoam. I have no way to test them vs a typical air dried harvest other than by eating them, so I can only offer the words of wisdom of "Yup. Those'll fuck ya up."
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27400107 - 07/24/21 09:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow those look amazing. What kind of setup do you use to dry?
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: sandman420]
#27400111 - 07/24/21 09:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: Wow those look amazing. What kind of setup do you use to dry?
Just a Harvest Right. 👍👍 (freeze dryer)
My process-
About 1-2 hours before harvest, turn on the freeze dryer and let it reach around -10 or lower.
Harvest and tray up your fruits, make sure to use a sheet of wax paper or they will stick to the steel tray- place in starting with largest fruits on the bottom tray, it freezes and dries larger things on the bottom rack more efficiently.
After placing fruits in machine, allow machine to run down to around -40, this takes about 6-8 houra depending on how many fruits are in the machine--initiate vacuum and drying.
I set my shelf temp limit to 55, so that even during the drying stage the temp does not reach above 55. Drying like this can take anywhere between 18 hours for smaller batches or 40 hours with each tray (5 tray deck) fully loaded.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27400156 - 07/24/21 10:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow man that is rad, you are probably one of the only ones on here with that experience. It takes much longer than I anticipated.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: sandman420]
#27400171 - 07/24/21 10:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sandman420 said: Wow man that is rad, you are probably one of the only ones on here with that experience. It takes much longer than I anticipated.
I have a batch in right this very moment that I'm about to switch over to the vacuum/drying stage, if anybody would like, I can take and post more photos of freeze dried samples tomorrow or the day after. 🤘🏻
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27400218 - 07/24/21 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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i would definitely like
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: sandman420]
#27400279 - 07/24/21 12:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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fahtster said: ...Nitrogen is what is used to replace the oxygen in food storage...
Yeah, N2 is the first thing I thought of, too, and it's cheap per unit,... but expensive if you don't already own a cylinder for it! CO2 is common in tire inflators, paintball fillers, soda makers and so on. "Wine preserver" is argon gas, and is pretty cheap at $15 for a 9-g can. HFC from a can, as Experimentor points out, would be a lot easier to get and manage. It would be nice to see if somebody has tested any of these. From other sources, it sounds like the most important way to preserve is getting them totally dry.
If you're really serious about this stuff, you should also worry abou gas diffusion, especially through ziplock or similar polymer-film containers.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: sonoramo] 1
#27401569 - 07/25/21 12:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As promised-
Fresh mushrooms being Loaded- 

Now fully dry, being removed and stored-


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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27401612 - 07/25/21 12:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: mushboy]
#27401666 - 07/25/21 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean WHAT that is so cool bro! You done good.
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27406648 - 07/29/21 06:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried packing them in tighter than that? I’m looking at getting the medium harvest right machine and it only had 4 trays. Was hoping to pack each tray a little tighter than that. Can you not have them touching one another or something? Thanks for the cool pics by the way! Also, I’m your personal opinion, without any scientific data, do you feel like they’re stronger from the freeze drier vs air dry?
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27685590 - 03/06/22 08:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm assuming they're more potent, if you had to try and quantify it, are they 10% more potent, 50%?
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#27775935 - 05/13/22 05:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a Harvest Right FD. I was curious why you lower the temp to 55. I figured people who dehydrate do so at 125 (from what I've read). I'm new at cultivating mushrooms. Thanks
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#27776036 - 05/13/22 07:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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the northmen said: As promised-
Fresh mushrooms being Loaded- 

Now fully dry, being removed and stored-



Very sexy
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Re: Drying with a freeze drier potency? [Re: the northmen]
#28396721 - 07/15/23 05:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hiiii I have a harvest right as well and I want to try this out as well , I have a three shelf one . What did u do after they dried and the cycle was done , did u put them in a Mylar bag with a oxogen absorber ?
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