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I still think it’s overlay. I have plates that colonized the lid like that.
Definitely curious to see when they open though.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27386949 - 07/14/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Speaking of gross here this clone that does disgusting shit before fruiting
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27386972 - 07/14/21 08:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lmao
My fat boy. You tried any yet? The gnarly ones have been good ime.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27387069 - 07/14/21 09:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you check out that thread, the guy definitely seems like he knows what he's talking about. Goes into a bit of detail about the fact that his Oats didn't do it, and that most (or maybe all) of the jars of brown rice formed sclerotia. I'm a skeptic by nature as well, so i thought maybe he wasn't sure what a sclerotia was but seeing the pics and he's describing sclerotia perfectly (has some type of bad reaction to eating other sclerotia and stated that he's going to fruit them normally due to that). So, i'm fairly convinced that he knows what he's looking at and that Ps. natalensis is a stone producer if/when the conditions are favorable for such.
I've been sitting on a print for a few months and lurking this thread, but finding that other thread has given me the desire to move ahead despite having several ongoing experiments.
I hope everyone that is interested will give it a go, actually. I think that Ps. natalensis is poised to take the place of cubensis for lots of people. They're just as easy to grow, more potent, less domesticated and, as such, far more variable and potentially enjoyable to those with an inclination for breeding and pheno hunting. Definitely excited to join you all in this.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: mycosavant]
#27387110 - 07/14/21 10:10 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, IDK how many people have tried growing Natalensis on brown rice yet, but I'll be giving it a shot and report back if I see anything resembling sclerotia in my jars. I might leave one or two colonized jars in storage as well (instead of spwaning once fully colonized).
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Fully agree with this. Maybe in a few years from now on we'll see a bunch of mutations and crosses for Natalensis. I'm REALLY curious about the trip differences being consistently reported between Nats and cubes. It'll be almost spring when I get to (hopefully) fruit these so I'm looking forward to the end of August
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Omg wtf
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jomanda1990 said: Well, IDK how many people have tried growing Natalensis on brown rice yet, but I'll be giving it a shot and report back if I see anything resembling sclerotia in my jars. I might leave one or two colonized jars in storage as well (instead of spwaning once fully colonized).
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mycosavant said: I think that Ps. natalensis is poised to take the place of cubensis for lots of people. They're just as easy to grow, more potent, less domesticated and, as such, far more variable and potentially enjoyable to those with an inclination for breeding and pheno hunting. Definitely excited to join you all in this.
Fully agree with this. Maybe in a few years from now on we'll see a bunch of mutations and crosses for Natalensis. I'm REALLY curious about the trip differences being consistently reported between Nats and cubes. It'll be almost spring when I get to (hopefully) fruit these so I'm looking forward to the end of August 
What are the differences? I might as well take the opportunity to find out here and now
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: AtmozFear]
#27387683 - 07/14/21 05:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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A nat trip is closer to a light LSD trip than a cube trip in my super limited experience with cid. A lot less heady? Like I feel the come up but like at the same time I don’t, and I’ll ask myself if I’m tripping or not then close my eyes and I get weird visuals. I also tend to get objects vibrating rather than melting and breathing. One time I saw the stars’ true colors which 5g of ape didn’t do. I took 2g of nats and stared into space for a few hours as the golds, reds, blues and whites lit up the black sky. They’re also a lot easier on your soul? Like if you hit a wall or start to slide down the slippery slope of a bad trip they just bring ya right back up, but on the flip side if you’re using them to heal they will heal you in a brutal ass way. Somewhere in here I posted a trip report
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: mycosavant]
#27387898 - 07/14/21 07:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mycosavant said:Ps. natalensis is a stone producer if/when the conditions are favorable for such.
Source?
He sourced another forum but didn’t provide info on whether the guy has fruited it or spawned those jars/got the stones from it. I don’t think it’s a stone producing fruit based off its tendency to overlay. I know fungi have a grip of tricks but pans that are notorious for overlay don’t produce stones and I think that’s because the overlay is some type of protective barrier whereas stones are for energy stores.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27387958 - 07/14/21 08:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wall.E said: A nat trip is closer to a light LSD trip than a cube trip in my super limited experience with cid. A lot less heady? Like I feel the come up but like at the same time I don’t, and I’ll ask myself if I’m tripping or not then close my eyes and I get weird visuals. I also tend to get objects vibrating rather than melting and breathing. One time I saw the stars’ true colors which 5g of ape didn’t do. I took 2g of nats and stared into space for a few hours as the golds, reds, blues and whites lit up the black sky. They’re also a lot easier on your soul? Like if you hit a wall or start to slide down the slippery slope of a bad trip they just bring ya right back up, but on the flip side if you’re using them to heal they will heal you in a brutal ass way. Somewhere in here I posted a trip report
And yeah aka, but this one wasn’t the fatty
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#27388117 - 07/14/21 11:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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This one is staying pretty fluffy. Got a bunch of other typical rhizo cultures from this batch of germ but this fluffy one is really the most interesting one. It reminds me of a lot of the nicer AA+ cultures I've seen.
What do you guys think? Will it just fluff out like crazy in a tub? Anyone else grabbing these fluffy cultures?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nichrome]
#27388209 - 07/15/21 03:15 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some guys say the more tomentose the better for minimizing overlay. I personally don’t like taking xfers from the fluff because it never wants to cut for me, just gets pushed around by the scalpel and I’m left with random myc chunks barely attached to the wedge. Pretty cringe worthy. Maybe try cutting with the blade still hot
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I got a question question about this mushroom. I grow it for quite a while now, thinking it is another cube variety, even though it does things I haven't observed in any other cube I have grown yet. Then I found this thread. I haven't read through the whole thing but I saw people weren't sure whether it is a cube or an own species. Has this been figured out eventually? Sorry if this should be a recurring question.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Fridgedoor]
#27388241 - 07/15/21 04:26 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's its own species genetically. But there's some question about whether it can be crossed with cubes. It's genetically close. Some people seem to have had some success Some have failed or just gotten crappy results.
People have crossed them, but I'm not sure anyone had a good result.
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I had way less overlay with fluff the one time I grabbed both types of growth from the same plate and ran them side by side.
I think that culture with half the normal spawn would be a pretty safe bet.
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That's exciting news! I actually just put a mix of Rusty Whyte and these on a plate to see what happens. I guess I can't call them NSS anymore.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Fridgedoor]
#27388694 - 07/15/21 12:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fridgedoor said: That's exciting news! I actually just put a mix of Rusty Whyte and these on a plate to see what happens. I guess I can't call them NSS anymore.

Here's where the confusion comes in....
NSS is a strain of Ps. cubensis that originated from Natal, South Africa. Psilocybe natalensis is a distinct species in the genus Psilocybe that was discovered in Natal, South Africa.
I think i read that when it was sequenced, Ps. natalensis is something like 7 nucelotides different from cubensis so Compatibility is questionable, although there seems to be some hypothesis that Cubensis and Ovoideocystidiata are close enough that they could hybridize so there's that...
Looking fwd to working with the species regardless.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Wall.E]
#27388705 - 07/15/21 12:19 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mycosavant said:Ps. natalensis is a stone producer if/when the conditions are favorable for such.
Source?
He sourced another forum but didn’t provide info on whether the guy has fruited it or spawned those jars/got the stones from it. I don’t think it’s a stone producing fruit based off its tendency to overlay. I know fungi have a grip of tricks but pans that are notorious for overlay don’t produce stones and I think that’s because the overlay is some type of protective barrier whereas stones are for energy stores.
I actually posted the link to the thread so you could read it, but in my Reply to A.k.a i went into a little detail about it. The guy seemed to know what he's talking about. All his BR jars did it, Oats did not. Bad reaction to sclerotia so he's decided to fruit them normally.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: mycosavant]
#27388872 - 07/15/21 02:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fridgedoor said: That's exciting news! I actually just put a mix of Rusty Whyte and these on a plate to see what happens. I guess I can't call them NSS anymore.

Here's where the confusion comes in....
NSS is a strain of Ps. cubensis that originated from Natal, South Africa. Psilocybe natalensis is a distinct species in the genus Psilocybe that was discovered in Natal, South Africa
It's something like 7 nucleotides different and therefore incompatible (at least though traditional breeding strategies)
That being said, if you legitimately have var. Natal Super Strength then your chances are good of having an F1 cross, but i'm not sure that the two mushrooms are unique enough to be able to confirm the cross. Best of luck to you on that, though.
There's no such thing as NSS. It's just Psilocybe Natalensis sold as a cube.
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