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OfflineFrankieJustTrypt
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Soldiers are voting with their feet
    #2738030 - 05/27/04 08:08 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

By David H. Hackworth


Top military managers insist that our all-volunteer Army isn?t stretched too thin from this country?s heavy and hazardous commitment to hot spots like Iraq and Afghanistan and cooler places in another 131 countries around Planet Earth. They spout positive numbers like carnival hucksters, hyping enlistment and re-enlistment rates they keep insisting are at an all-time high.



?Loyalty, patriotism and seeing the results of successfully accomplishing their missions are the key factors in this success,? said Col. Elton Manske, an Army personnel chief in the Pentagon.



Except that?s exactly 180 degrees out from what hundreds of soldiers have told me during the past few weeks.



It also doesn't square with the fact that the Army is currently extending 44,000 soldiers under stop-loss provisions ? which, like a form of the draft, arbitrarily keep a soldier in service beyond the agreed-upon term of enlistment.



"Stop loss is not only a breach of contract, it?s a form of slavery,? railed a Special Forces (SF) senior noncommissioned officer. ?There's a tidal wave of folks getting out. ... The number of senior SF NCOs leaving is amazing. Our battalion had three of five sergeant-majors retire, and our sister battalion had two of five. The number of master sergeants was well into double digits. I predict that the exodus will devastate the senior NCO corps at a time when experience and stability are most needed.?



Despite all the accentuate-the-positive spin coming out of the Pentagon, the anecdotal reports I?ve received ? especially from Reserve and National Guard folks ? agree with the SF sergeant and point to a mass exodus that will reach the hemorrhage point by mid-2005.



?Speaking off the record,? writes a military wife, ?my husband was supposed to come home from Iraq this week but has just been extended another 120 days. His old unit, 3rd Infantry Division, is already seeing an exodus of junior officers. Since their return from Iraq, 35 captains have left the Army for greener pastures. Several more ? read: another 15-20 ? are due to leave, but who knows whether or not they?ll manage to do so before more stop losses and stop moves come down prior to their return to the desert. ... Between separation from family, no guarantee of tour lengths, no clear mission and consistent pay problems, folks are pretty fed up. If they can get out, which is no small feat, they seem to be doing so while the getting is good.?



?Don't use my name,? writes a senior sergeant. ?I believe we are going to have a massive attrition problem in the Reserve. I have 24 years in the Army Reserve, and this is my second time in the Gulf. They?re talking about reservists having to deploy once every five years. I doubt our civilian employers and families are going to buy into that. I've got to get out when I redeploy if I want to stay married.?



?We're stretched too thin,? reports a sergeant. ?Our CO (commanding officer) admitted this to us during our tour in Afghanistan. He also admitted that morale is down due to the extending of tours. Yet the Pentagon insists there?s no problem with morale. We lost over 75 percent of our unit when we got back. I know other units are having the same problems. If this trend continues, we won?t have enough people to defend this country when the need arises.?



An Apache pilot in Korea says, ?It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Army is going to be losing a lot of people as soon as they get the chance to vote with their feet.?



I?m sure the brass have all the paperwork to back up their propaganda campaign. But as far as the old saw that ?figures don't lie? goes, I?ve been around long enough to know that liars figure and soldiers know the truth. So I?ll go with the soldiers.





Unless so-called Army short tours in the badlands of Iraq and Afghanistan become manageable based on the number of troops available ? right now the Army is trying to do the work of 14 divisions with 10 under-strength, active-duty divisions ? we?ll see a mass exodus from the Green Machine and the inevitable return of the draft

Col. David H. Hackworth (USA Ret.) is SFTT.org co-founder and Senior Military Columnist for DefenseWatch magazine. For information on his many books, go to his home page at Hackworth.com, wehre you can sign in for his free weekly Defending America. Send mail to P.O. Box 11179, Greenwich, CT 06831. His newest book is ?Steel My Soldiers? Hearts.? ? 2004 David H. Hackworth. Please send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com.

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNew...1.6411948845369


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #2740332 - 05/28/04 04:18 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

I joined the Navy for 6 years under the Advanced Electronics Program. This basically meant that I signed up for 4 years and agreed ahead of time to re-enlist for two years for a financial bonus.

After two years into the program, Congress declared my contract null and void - no, not as to the fact that I did not have to do the six years, but they reneged on my re-enlistment bonus. Yup. Tricked, lied to and defrauded by the government.

He who has the power makes (and breaks) the rules.


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The proof is in the pudding.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: Swami]
    #2740432 - 05/28/04 05:40 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

To swami...
Quote:

He who has the power makes (and breaks) the rules.



Which is why many want government power to be as minimal as possible. Which is why many are against so many of the programs those who lean left cry out for.


To Franlie...
There are stories claiming otherwise, but something the reporter of this one seems to forget, when people are stisfied they don't complain so of course most of those he speaks to tell a tale like this.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2740644 - 05/28/04 09:32 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Sorry to derail this thread, but these days Republicans are for high spending and excessive government power even more than Democrats were a few years ago.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: phi1618]
    #2740738 - 05/28/04 10:15 AM (13 years, 28 days ago)

What?!? You mean that actions speak louder than words?


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: phi1618]
    #2741650 - 05/28/04 03:29 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Sorry to derail this thread, but these days Republicans are for high spending and excessive government power even more than Democrats were a few years ago.



True Repubs are against them. It's merely the sorry sacks of shit down there now who seem unable to restrain themselves.

So my point stands.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Edited by luvdemshrooms (05/28/04 03:30 PM)


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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2741730 - 05/28/04 03:51 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

It's merely the sorry sacks of shit down there now who seem unable to restrain themselves.





Like the president, speaker of the house, etc.?

Parties change - the right wing christian fundies have hijacked yours.


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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: phi1618]
    #2741734 - 05/28/04 03:53 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Like the president, speaker of the house, etc.?




Yup.


Quote:

Parties change - the right wing christian fundies have hijacked yours.



I'm not so sure, but they're the ones who seem to get the headlines.

Besides, I'm not a republican.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Edited by luvdemshrooms (05/28/04 03:53 PM)


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Re: Soldiers are voting with their feet [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2742034 - 05/28/04 05:38 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

well, you're at least voting that way...


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