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Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait.
    #27372298 - 07/03/21 12:23 AM (6 months, 18 days ago)

What do you think?  And for those that have it would you say it's worth it at this time?  Curious.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27373373 - 07/04/21 12:58 AM (6 months, 17 days ago)

I just switched over to Apple for everything but I'll be sure to check it out, I still like Microsoft a lot.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: GH19971]
    #27373511 - 07/04/21 05:01 AM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Done some research on it.  Will have to upgrade my laptop as I think desktops are a waste of money as I travel a lot.  Most likely wouldn't run on it and the benefits for it no, are small.  Think is a waste of money until months down the line.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27373826 - 07/04/21 12:44 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Just looks like a reskinned Windows 10 IMO.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Mike Hawck]
    #27373832 - 07/04/21 12:54 PM (6 months, 17 days ago)

I thought they said no more OS name changes for windows..


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: orison]
    #27374326 - 07/04/21 09:31 PM (6 months, 16 days ago)

I've seen on YT that you're gonna need a Microsoft account to install it :thumbdown:


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27420562 - 08/09/21 06:25 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

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What do you think?  And for those that have it would you say it's worth it at this time?  Curious.




Still using Windows 8.1 with classic shell. I'll probably never update.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 2
    #27420682 - 08/09/21 10:12 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

VISTA RULES!! :retawed:


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: orison] * 2
    #27420828 - 08/09/21 12:32 PM (5 months, 12 days ago)

Linux 4 life.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Holybullshit]
    #27430357 - 08/16/21 03:43 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

Windows 10 here and have no plans to change that any time soon.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Macrolepiota]
    #27433935 - 08/19/21 05:59 AM (5 months, 2 days ago)

I expect Windows 10 to be like XP. No ones going to move until booted

I like 10 and will be on it for a long time


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: junker82317]
    #27434946 - 08/19/21 07:49 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

Is it just me or does Windows 10 need an update twice weekly?  Randomly adding partitions? 

Loved Windows 98 and XP. Made lots of money installing CD  burners and 56k modems.

Never again.

Chrome book will be my next computer. If I even buy another computer. MP3s, binge watching cartoons and YouTube are the only reasons for owning a computer anymore. For me at least. This forum and YouTube are my only internet needs. :crazy2:


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Minion]
    #27435431 - 08/20/21 02:31 AM (5 months, 1 day ago)

Is Windows 10 better on a solid state drive? I have a fast i7 3 GHz CPU with a hybrid drive but Windows 10 was sluggish for me even with my 8 GB of ram. Windows 8.1 is perfectly smooth on my system.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27438962 - 08/22/21 11:13 PM (4 months, 29 days ago)

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Is Windows 10 better on a solid state drive?



Yes. Since Windows 8 Microsoft has been moving more and more things out of RAM and going to the drive more often which, if your system drive is magnetic, causes the perceived sluggishness. Even if you buy the absolute cheapest SSD you can find, it'll still run better than off an HDD.
Don't waste your time with hybrid drives. The solid state part is only used for caching. Instead, go for separate magnetic and solid state drives, and as much RAM as you can afford. The OS can use the RAM that's not in use to cache your frequently used files.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27439001 - 08/23/21 12:32 AM (4 months, 29 days ago)

As I work in IT I've been eyeing W11 closely. Looks like they have addressed some of the multitudes of fuckups created when forcing the metro GUI and are also dialing back the ridiculous 6 monthly release cycle. Mostly just unfucking that is making it look better than W10.

As usual I'll let other people go first and learn the hard way what all the problems are, then follow after.

Personally I use Linux anyway, but being a Win sysadmin this stuff is pretty interesting. I'm actually surprised that the OS isn't completely subscription model for those who want to use extended services and otherwise free. That's going to be the push soon enough, to be always online and M$ manipulating all your data for dollar$. Already W10 is free if you have any desire to acquire a legal license for nothing. They left it like that on purpose I reckon. Just want your coin for 365, OneDrive, Teams, etc, etc. That's where the real scratch is.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27440316 - 08/24/21 03:44 AM (4 months, 28 days ago)

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Is Windows 10 better on a solid state drive?



Yes. Since Windows 8 Microsoft has been moving more and more things out of RAM and going to the drive more often which, if your system drive is magnetic, causes the perceived sluggishness. Even if you buy the absolute cheapest SSD you can find, it'll still run better than off an HDD.
Don't waste your time with hybrid drives. The solid state part is only used for caching. Instead, go for separate magnetic and solid state drives, and as much RAM as you can afford. The OS can use the RAM that's not in use to cache your frequently used files.



My windows 8.1 system runs perfect on my hybrid drive. It's a Dell latitude, I used my own windows disk and key so it doesn't have any dell bloat crap. Just the necessary audio driver. It's a 4th gen i7 3ghz, 8gb ram. It's super fast and never slugs. Honestly I think the speed of the cpu makes up for anything I can't perceive. This is the fastest cpu I've had. I spoiled myself and got the 3ghz.

It came with windows 10 but it was slow and sluggish. I planned to reformat the drive anyway and put my own windows 8.1 system on it.

I really need to get into Linux if I plan on using computers long term.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27440588 - 08/24/21 10:20 AM (4 months, 28 days ago)

Yes, Windows 8.1 will run "fine" on that drive, but Windows 7 would have ran even better, and Windows XP better still. It's obvious Microsoft at some point in the past 10 years stopped testing with HDDs internally, so the performance has progressively gone to crap.

The fastest CPU won't make up for low IOPS. I have a Ryzen 9 and I wouldn't run Windows off an HDD. I already know what that's like. Linux on the other hand I'd have no problem running off an HDD, but I don't use Linux desktops.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27441834 - 08/25/21 03:19 AM (4 months, 27 days ago)

Ssd's are STILL too expensive if you want a DECENT capacity like at least 500gb or 1tb. Not this pussy ass 256 bullshit.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27441962 - 08/25/21 08:13 AM (4 months, 27 days ago)

Dunno whatya talkin bout mate. Cheaper than ever.

Maybe losing perspective a bit.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Northerner]
    #27443109 - 08/25/21 11:39 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

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Dunno whatya talkin bout mate. Cheaper than ever.

Maybe losing perspective a bit.



Well what is a decent brand? Would it be okay to get an unbranded ssd?


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27443129 - 08/25/21 11:53 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

Because of the fundamental properties of the medium, even the shittiest SSD will have better latency than an HDD, especially for reading. Give it a try, I promise you'll feel the difference.

To reiterate, though, I'm not praising SSDs. I'm criticizing Windows. You shouldn't need better hardware to be back to 2001 performance.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27443192 - 08/26/21 01:34 AM (4 months, 26 days ago)

2001 programs didn't have the massive codebase pushing them like modern applications do. They often did simple things simply, but these days applications take on very complex roles. They can, they couldn't before. Sure some developers take this as an opportunity to dump bloat in the software (cough, gag, Micro$oft) but others have turned this opportunity into amazing application. The music making applications I use today at v11 and v15 shit all over the V1's from 15 years back. I think rose coloured glasses make us think sometimes that programs and OS's of old were so great, back from times when we had 0 expectations.

Totally agree that even the cheapest SSD is a big jump in functionality though. It's where it's at these days for functional computing. Spinning rust is just for cheap storage and arrays really.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Northerner]
    #27443215 - 08/26/21 02:20 AM (4 months, 26 days ago)

I'm not talking about application performance, though. I'm talking about performance while navigating the system itself. Using Explorer to browse directories, looking at configurations, menus, etc.
I don't think there's any rose-tinting going on. I've used XP not that long ago and it always feels snappier than newer versions, even if I'm using older hardware (which I have on hand).

And it's not just Windows, by the way. Visual Studio has become unbearable on HDDs. And I can tell you, MS has not added a ton of features to it since 2008 to justify its start-up times.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #27443251 - 08/26/21 03:34 AM (4 months, 26 days ago)

I've used Windows 3.1 up to Windows XP when I was younger and using a parents computer. From 2007 to 2013 I was using OS x and then switched the fuck over to Windows because OS x was getting shittier and shittier and more bloatier and more bloatier. I never upgraded a 10 because I didn't want to be part of Microsoft's bullshit spyware and adware.

I know a solid state drive would help with startup time and load time of applications and file menus. I actually would really like faster Windows explorer to be honest. For folders with a large amount of files sometimes it takes a couple seconds to load when it could be faster with a solid state drive. So I see what you mean with the subtleties. With the prices I'm looking at it looks like it's cheaper to get a 2.5 in solid state drive from my dell laptop whereas a 3.5 inch would be a lot more expensive for my imac.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27443305 - 08/26/21 05:43 AM (4 months, 26 days ago)

The W10 machines I manage start up in seconds, much faster than any MS operating system ever before. That's with 8Gb RAM, i5-5770 and M2 SSD's. Best enterprise machines I've had the pleasure of supporting. There are really random bugs that just aren't worth fixing, quicker to to reinstall, whereas that situation never came up on XP or W7. Could not reinstall the OS and all programs in less than an hour. Whether or not that's a good thing I do not know. Update cycles are all fucked, metro GUI is a major step backwards and lacks critical functionality, fortunately old controls still exist in the background and can be called from Run. It's a great OS, apart from all the attempted MS cloud server integration, imho. Even Server 2019 is way better than any of the last 3 Server versions. I've still got server 2000 and XP machines running obsolete hardware, it seems apparent to me just how far it's all come when I check in on them... good and bad.

For W10 users you should definitely look at the CSAND PowerShell script from Spiceworks. Does some serious unfucking, such a great piece of code.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27447648 - 08/29/21 10:50 AM (4 months, 23 days ago)

You have to be insane to not be running your OS on an SSD in this day and age, using an HDD would be like driving around in a carbureted car. No matter what OS you run. Unless you just don't value your time. HDD are for backup and storage only.

Besides adding more RAM, an SSD is the best way for you to increase everyday performance that you will actually feel all the time.

You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on a "gaming" level ssd, you can get a quality(not top shelf, but not bargain bin) 1TB M2 SSD for $125 or less, a 256 GB for $50. And if you need to you can just run your OS on the SSD and use an HDD(or the cloud) for storage, if you use multiple devices or have a family I would suggest looking into NAS.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Holybullshit]
    #27501745 - 10/12/21 10:53 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Barnaby]
    #27502116 - 10/12/21 04:37 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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What do you think?  And for those that have it would you say it's worth it at this time?  Curious.




Switch to debian and never look back.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Andjew]
    #27514876 - 10/23/21 12:38 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

I installed Windows 11 about 5 days ago after I finally figured out how to enable the goddamn TPM 2.0 thing, which was the only requirement on there that my computer wasn't able to pass.

If I had to give it a rating based on my experience with it overall in the last 5 days, on a scale of 1 - 10, I'd give it an 8/10.

An 8, and not a 10 because.... eh... it wasn't really that much different from Windows 10. When I first installed it and started using it, the way it looked made me feel like I was on another version of Linux; the way the menus and stuff looked.

Looked just like one of those versions of Linux, until I figured out how to change the appearance and all the settings that I could remember changing when I was on Windows 10.

As far as performance and speed, I'd say it was in the general area/range of about the same as Windows 10.

Do I think Linux/Ubuntu, etc is better? It might be, but I don't have the patience to sit down and learn all that shit, all just to be able to do simple basic shit like use a web browser or watch videos, use apps, etc.

I always had trouble with versions of Linux. I'd do the sudo get-update and all that shit if I got my wifi working, but eventually it just became annoying because I didn't need all those programs, packages, etc.

I'm not doing anything important or complicated. that would require an advanced-like operating system with an endless list of tools and apps and shit that I have never heard of, nor will I ever need to use.

It would just be some stupid problem every time that couldn't be fixed.

One version of Linux didn't even have the drivers for my wifi card, but Windows  recognizes and installs the wireless card software immediately without even having to click anything.

Just like that! The wifi icon instantly appears on the taskbar, click it and there's the list of wireless networks.

All in all, it was majority about the same but I believe it's better than Windows 10 (Pro).


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: thirtygoats]
    #27515680 - 10/23/21 11:50 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

So does windows 11 come with adware and spyware by default by Micro$oft?


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: thirtygoats] * 1
    #27521615 - 10/28/21 04:16 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

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Do I think Linux/Ubuntu, etc is better? It might be, but I don't have the patience to sit down and learn all that shit, all just to be able to do simple basic shit like use a web browser or watch videos, use apps, etc.




Linux is not the dark magic it once was and support for hardware and software is greater than ever. Plug it in, turn it on and away you go. It's been years since I had the dreaded driver wrangle with wifi cards and graphics cards, etc.

There's super easy distros for noobs like Mint. The menu is even Windowsesque, all the stuff in the same places, easy to navigate. All the software you could ever want is already installed. The updater runs in the background and a little icon appears on the taskbar which you click to update all the software on the system as well as the OS. No need to use command line at all anymore. No need for security applications, no need to be chasing individual updates for each program. No background updaters, no more deceptive windows tricking you to install bullshit, no more driveby attacks, Internet made easy.

I put my parents computers on that about a year ago because I was sick of fixing Windows for them. Haven't heard a word about their constantly fucked computers since.


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Northerner]
    #27522373 - 10/29/21 04:22 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Tested Ghost Spectre Win11 a bit on VirtualBox. Not much though..
Might be good for testing but I don't know how much it has been tampered.

Having win10 on two computers but still using win7 mainly..


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Northerner]
    #27522894 - 10/29/21 03:46 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

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I put my parents computers on that about a year ago because I was sick of fixing Windows for them. Haven't heard a word about their constantly fucked computers since.




LOL, so they just don't dare to complain anymore...


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Speeker]
    #27523609 - 10/30/21 05:36 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

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I put my parents computers on that about a year ago because I was sick of fixing Windows for them. Haven't heard a word about their constantly fucked computers since.




LOL, so they just don't dare to complain anymore...



Says the person using a 13 year old operating system as his daily driver.

Bet ya think Blackberry are the best phones as well.  :derfase:


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    #27523917 - 10/30/21 12:27 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

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I put my parents computers on that about a year ago because I was sick of fixing Windows for them. Haven't heard a word about their constantly fucked computers since.




LOL, so they just don't dare to complain anymore...



Says the person using a 13 year old operating system as his daily driver.

Bet ya think Blackberry are the best phones as well.  :derfase:




What I use has nothing to do with your computer problems or anything...
It was just a joke..


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Speeker]
    #27524142 - 10/30/21 03:42 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

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I put my parents computers on that about a year ago because I was sick of fixing Windows for them. Haven't heard a word about their constantly fucked computers since.




LOL, so they just don't dare to complain anymore...



Says the person using a 13 year old operating system as his daily driver.

Bet ya think Blackberry are the best phones as well.  :derfase:




What I use has nothing to do with your computer problems or anything...
It was just a joke..



Awwww, c'mere. :hug:

I was joking too bro, just winding you up.

Must have hit a note of of truth on the Blackberry thing eh?


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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: thirtygoats]
    #27527128 - 11/02/21 07:53 AM (2 months, 20 days ago)

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One version of Linux didn't even have the drivers for my wifi card, but Windows  recognizes and installs the wireless card software immediately without even having to click anything.

Just like that! The wifi icon instantly appears on the taskbar, click it and there's the list of wireless networks.



You were probably missing the microcode necessary to operate the WiFi chip in your computer. If you want want to avoid that situation, then install a debian variant like Lubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, or Mint. These come preloaded with firmware in /lib/firmware, which should solve nearly all driver problems instantly. I personally use debian, and I find the driver I need based on the vendor/device id; you can see an example using the "lsusb" command, which returns a line of text for each usb device and contains an 8 digit hexadecimal code split by a colon. It looks like "1a5b:c52b"; the first part is the vendor id, and the second part is the device id for that vendor. The code is unique across different revisions of the same hardware, which allows you to identify the exact driver you need easily. You can also look up hardware before you buy it to make sure it will be compatible with GNU/Linux. You can also get the firmware you need usually through the debian repository by adding "non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list; see more information here.

If the driver doesn't exist, then you're SOL, but you have the freedom to write your own driver (difficult). This has happened to me with non-free fingerprint scanners included with Lenovo's ThinkPads. Technically, the driver does exist, but the vendor will not release a FOSS driver, and I encrypt my drives anyways, so it's not a big deal to me.



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Re: Windows 11 yet anyone? Going to wait. [Re: Andjew]
    #27541856 - 11/13/21 03:37 PM (2 months, 8 days ago)

installed xubuntu, never looked back


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    #27583331 - 12/16/21 08:50 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

This is rather nice to test things. Win11 as a virtual machine from MS.
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines/


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    #27583382 - 12/16/21 09:48 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Since this thread started I spun up a W11 test VM. Seems much like a reskinned W10. Just more bugs, missing features, etc. This last version of W10 is finally "stable". Lol. Now they're gonna trash it and keep the stupid monkey show going. I hear only annual feature updates now though, finally realised they can't keep up with Linux releases.


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    #27586785 - 12/19/21 01:27 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Is there a way that I can install windows 10 on a fresh, brand new solid state drive?


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    #27586840 - 12/19/21 03:29 AM (1 month, 4 days ago)

Yeah, just download an installer from Microsoft, create a boot disk with Rufus and a USB drive, boot to the USB and target your new drive with the Windows installer.


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    #27587788 - 12/19/21 11:09 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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Yeah, just download an installer from Microsoft, create a boot disk with Rufus and a USB drive, boot to the USB and target your new drive with the Windows installer.



So there's an installer on the microsoft website? And I use a program called Rufus to make a bootable usb drive, boot up and press f12 and select the usb drive and install like usual?

Is rufus sort of the same thing as what disk utility on a mac can do to make bootable drives?


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    #27587806 - 12/19/21 11:40 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Yes, yes and yes. :smile:


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    #27591330 - 12/23/21 02:00 AM (1 month, 11 hours ago)

Is there a way to get rid of the adware and spyware that is on by default on windows 10?


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    #27591403 - 12/23/21 04:59 AM (1 month, 8 hours ago)

Search for the CSAND decrapifier PowerShell script on Spiceworks, that nukes most of the crap out.


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