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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: Atomsplit]
#27374720 - 07/05/21 06:59 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like about 1:2.5.
If I’m a little unsure about the spawn I’ll knock it way down to get it colonized ASAP though.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LtLurker]
#27374763 - 07/05/21 08:44 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: It's kinda rare for me to lose a tub before it flushes when doing brf>bulk. Cakes aren't exactly riding a fine line between fruiting and contaming out when broken to bulk. Sure it's not as good as clean grains, but it's not a very high fail rate like spore>grain either.
Yeah but I'd bet you're a lot better at this than someone just starting out. Do you do a lot of spore to brf then to bulk? Do you get a dense pinset and canopy doing this?
@Ashtry: No offence, man, but I wouldn't say that your tubs are very successful when compared to a full flush. Bacteria will prevent a full flush so keep that in mind while pursuing a dense canopy.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27374837 - 07/05/21 10:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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roughly 1:1, probably a little heavier on coir. I just eyeball to get the tub at the height i want. There's a shoebox assembly link in my signature.
@P9. I still run brf>bulk quite often yes. It mostly fills gaps between agar>grains and makes for a quick easy run for prints. Could be used for selecting clones to. Pinsets are as good as any ms grow, good conditions and moderate luck gives good pinsets. I think it's newb friendly, it's no different than dialing in any other bulk tub. These are a couple of the oldest photos i have; my first ms>brf>bulk before i had a pc.
  
And this is a current APE brf>bulk starting to pin. Bought a syringe, so I shot some cakes to fruit while I did the agar work.
Edited by LtLurker (07/05/21 10:26 AM)
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LtLurker]
#27375119 - 07/05/21 01:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use 1:1.5 stra8 coir
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LtLurker]
#27375146 - 07/05/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice looking tubs, you definitely have that dialed in well. I'm super suprised that you don't run into more problems with bacteria, but you obviously know what you're doing.
I tried using spore>brf>cv as a stop gap as well but always ran into problems post spawn, I'm a bit envious of those results lol. Nice work
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (07/05/21 02:21 PM)
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27375174 - 07/05/21 02:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright, so my cakes to bulk were all losers, this is why I can't recommend.
I'd like to see how this tub turns out.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LadysKnight]
#27375187 - 07/05/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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LadysKnight said: Alright, so my cakes to bulk were all losers, this is why I can't recommend.
This has been my experience as well, I never got pins due to the bacterial syringes going crazy once it got free reign in my cv. Success obviously relies upon your ability to source some pretty darn clean spore syringes.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#27375204 - 07/05/21 02:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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To be fair the majority of my brf>bulk is from my personal prints/syringes. But I did start out buying syringes and typically they worked fine. Some syringes from vendors i had more weird stuff than others, it's true you don't always know how well it was made and syringe>agar should be the preferred method.
That tub i think is gonna pop. Looks tenacious af and knotted up on all the plates to. Gnarly looking myc though and a bit of metabs happening. I'll put the finished tub in potd good or bad.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LtLurker]
#27375212 - 07/05/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: To be fair the majority of my brf>bulk is from my personal prints/syringes. But I did start out buying syringes and typically they worked fine. Some syringes from vendors i had more weird stuff than others, it's true you don't always know how well it was made and syringe>agar should be the preferred method.
That tub i think is gonna pop. Looks tenacious af and knotted up on all the plates to. Gnarly looking myc though. I'll put the finished tub in potd good or bad.
Your success with this method is a testament to your ability to print clean and make clean syringes, nice work man.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LtLurker]
#27375258 - 07/05/21 03:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: To be fair the majority of my brf>bulk is from my personal prints/syringes. But I did start out buying syringes and typically they worked fine. Some syringes from vendors i had more weird stuff than others, it's true you don't always know how well it was made and syringe>agar should be the preferred method.
That tub i think is gonna pop. Looks tenacious af and knotted up on all the plates to. Gnarly looking myc though and a bit of metabs happening. I'll put the finished tub in potd good or bad.
I appreciate your transparency, genuinely curious, I can see it going either way.
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Re: Is the final volume of a shoebox really that much better than cakes? [Re: LtLurker]
#27378895 - 07/08/21 09:43 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: No. Spores to grain is way worse than using cakes for bulk ime. I still make cakes to bulk pretty regularly and have few issues, i tried spore to grain a few times for giggles and lossed around 50% of my stuff. Bacteria doesn't flourish in a pf jar like it does in a grain jar.
Hey LT! This was one of the key pieces of advice that I had gotten in the very beginning. I have been watching too much stuff on YouTube and you and a few others set me straight. I abandoned the MSS And went to LC and then learned to test them on agar. As posted up above going MSS to grain you lost 50% of your jars. A lot of times in life I think I know better. I am so happy that in this case of learning with you guys I did not have this attitude. (TAKE NOTE NOOBIES) Taking suggestions and listening to people who have done and failed and done and succeeded is definitely recommended. The only thing I didn’t follow too closely was sticking with cakes. Though they are contaminant resistant in comparison to the rest, they’re just a pain in the ass to me. I started spawning cakes to bulk immediately and once I felt comfortable, I switched to grain. Anyway, thank you for that important piece of advice somewhere back in January or December when I first started. Hope your doing well LT and your happy and healthy Brutha, both physically and spiritually.
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