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Socialist Mayor of Buffalo * 1
    #27361612 - 06/24/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27362090 - 06/24/21 09:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

FBI should be taking care of that, since she's a terrorist by the recently updated definition.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos]
    #27362284 - 06/25/21 02:27 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

At some point in the future the FBI will go back to arresting leftists. Right now the arrest count on the capital riots passed 500.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27362427 - 06/25/21 07:41 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Socialism that funny boogeyman for conservatives. Anyone that's actually worried I would suggest turning on tucker Carlson to get appropriately filled with rage like a good little neanderthal.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27362580 - 06/25/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Poll: Capitalism and Socialism

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Today, 18-34 year-olds are almost evenly split between those who view capitalism positively and those who view it negatively (49% vs. 46%). Two years ago, that margin was a gaping 20 points (58% vs. 38%).
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Among adults in Gen Z (ages 18-24), perceptions of capitalism are truly underwater: 42% have a positive view and 54% have a negative view.

And more specifically, young Republicans have seen real movement in the past two years: in 2019, 81% of Republicans and GOP leaners age 18-34 had a positive view of capitalism; today, that number has fallen to 66%.
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...views among Republicans have shifted quite a bit by age. In 2019, 40% of Republicans age 18-34 said the government should pursue policies that reduce the wealth gap; that has increased to 56% today among the same age group.




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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27363258 - 06/25/21 07:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

It is encouraging that young Republicans are getting more progressive. I wonder if they're voting? The last primary convinced me that young democrats pretty much stopped voting after California.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27366459 - 06/28/21 03:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The centrist idiot who lost the primary to the socialist is now announcing he’s “received a lot of support” to run a third party campaign for mayor.

So he’s gonna try to split the vote and then Democrats can say “see? Socialism can’t win! (because we actively sabotage it)”

Who wants to place bets on whether the local and state democratic parties endorse the democratic candidate for mayor?


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27367179 - 06/29/21 07:25 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I misread the original article and didn't realize it was a primary. The incumbent who lost has to run as a write in but it could be done with enough support. The state party could support him but I don't think the Buffalo party could, at least visibly.

Richard M Daley tried to pull this same shit when he came in third his first try in the primary for mayor of Chicago. His father's cronies in the machine said he split the white vote with incumbent Jane Bryne and allowed Harold Washington to become the city's first black mayor.

The Buffalo situation doesn't have the racial component because they're both black. I don't know that much about New York state politics because NYC is so big it makes it look like the state is lefty, but probably it's not. However, Coumo is on such thin ice now, I don't think he would make waves here.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27367232 - 06/29/21 08:08 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it could really go either way.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27367238 - 06/29/21 08:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it would be a nice local victory if she gets in. I lost faith in a top down move to left, but progress can be made at the lower and middle levels.

I read an article last night about a poll showing younger people are becoming less favorable to capitalism, including young Republicans. They weren't necessarily become more favorable to socialism, so I guess a  lot hinges on how you phrase the question.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27367297 - 06/29/21 09:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I know it’s cliche to go back to the tumult of early 20th century Europe, but when socialism gained a foothold there the capitalists just adopted some socialist rhetoric and then cracked down on the actual left using every tool at their disposal: industry, media, nationalism, racism, etc. I gotta think the people in the smoke filled rooms see what’s coming, and they’ll go right back to the same playbook that worked for them last time. Climate change will make it a little easier for us to wall ourselves off and justify keeping what little we (upstanding patriotic white people) have left.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27367352 - 06/29/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I read an article last night about a poll showing younger people are becoming less favorable to capitalism, including young Republicans. They weren't necessarily become more favorable to socialism, so I guess a  lot hinges on how you phrase the question.




Various forms of EcoFash are becoming popular among young republicans.

Which is basically this:

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The Ecstatic said:
Climate change will make it a little easier for us to wall ourselves off and justify keeping what little we (upstanding patriotic white people) have left.




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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27367421 - 06/29/21 10:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Reminds me of this quote I dropped in the political cartoons thread a while back



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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27369352 - 06/30/21 05:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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The centrist idiot who lost the primary to the socialist is now announcing he’s “received a lot of support” to run a third party campaign for mayor.

So he’s gonna try to split the vote and then Democrats can say “see? Socialism can’t win! (because we actively sabotage it)”

Who wants to place bets on whether the local and state democratic parties endorse the democratic candidate for mayor?




And right on cue, the NY state Democratic Party is pledging to “not get involved” with the Democratic candidate for mayor.

https://twitter.com/danielmarans/status/1410340569818316805?s=21


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27369933 - 07/01/21 04:38 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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A black woman with a tough background just got elected Mayor of Buffalo as a socialist.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-socialist-is-poised-to-become-mayor-of-a-major-us-city-is-it-a-movement-or-a-blip/ar-AALofAe?ocid=msedgntp


this woman is real hero we need more erected officials that are socialists to whip this country in to shape.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27369946 - 07/01/21 04:54 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

They need to send those assholes to china work camps for what they did. This bigger than 9/11 an pearl harbor combined.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27403944 - 07/27/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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The Ecstatic said:
The centrist idiot who lost the primary to the socialist is now announcing he’s “received a lot of support” to run a third party campaign for mayor.

So he’s gonna try to split the vote and then Democrats can say “see? Socialism can’t win! (because we actively sabotage it)”

Who wants to place bets on whether the local and state democratic parties endorse the democratic candidate for mayor?




And right on cue, the NY state Democratic Party is pledging to “not get involved” with the Democratic candidate for mayor.

https://twitter.com/danielmarans/status/1410340569818316805?s=21





It seems like their plan to split the vote isn’t gonna work so now the Democratic controlled Buffalo city council is just gonna do away with the position of mayor altogether.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/common-council-researching-form-of-governance-that-replaces-the-mayor/article_bf646d98-ecd8-11eb-a730-83866764e590.html


Literally just abolish the mayor if it’s gonna be a socialist.

Tell me more about the Democratic party’s steadfast defense of democracy.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27404411 - 07/27/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

The article you cited says:
1. They are researching it.
2. "Any change that would eliminate the office of mayor would have to come via a citywide ballot referendum, which would be all but impossible to get on the ballot by November.

The Democrats are capable of all manor of undemocratic maneuvers, but don't you think your post jumped the gun a bit.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27405358 - 07/28/21 07:53 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

It’s more about intent than what they’re actually able to accomplish, which begs the question: what have they done with this intent, and accomplished, that we don’t know about

If they’re (explicitly) willing to abolish the position of mayor in a (relatively) small city just to keep city funds from being reallocated away from the police and the rich, what else have they done ? What else will they do?

We had a discussion about reform v revolution in a different thread, and this is pertinent to that debate. Of what use is reform when the house will change the rules if you even come close to altering the smallest thing? Of course they probably won’t actually pull this off, but it’s a window into the playbook of capital: they’ll completely restructure how city government works before they let a “socialist” have an influential position in the process, but then at the same time refuse to do anything about the filibuster (because in that instance, the structures in place benefit capital).

People want to say “we live in a democracy, just vote!” but what happens when we elect a Bernie type figure as president, and both parties decide to abolish the presidency? This development should be alarming, not because it will happen, but because it’s being floated as a legitimate option.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27405451 - 07/28/21 09:31 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

You're taking the least bad option and pointing out the fact that it is still, in fact, bad.

Revolution is a much worse idea, unless you like right-wing death squads patrolling the streets. That is what any sort of government overthrow in the US will look like.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27405667 - 07/28/21 01:25 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not really sure why you would expect a capitalist nation to accommodate socialism in any meaningful way.  It's not like socialism is up to a vote.  Arguably, capitalism is protected under the Constitution.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Enlil]
    #27406241 - 07/28/21 08:17 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I’m not expecting that at all. If enough people on the “left” gave up on that expectation, something meaningful might be done. But right now, most folks are hoping to reform the Democratic Party into a socialist party, despite every signal that the power structure intends on preventing that by any means necessary.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27406363 - 07/28/21 09:27 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Like what?

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27406730 - 07/29/21 08:01 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

You actually believe that most folks want a socialist party?


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos]
    #27406731 - 07/29/21 08:02 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Like what as in something meaningful or like what as in the power structure preventing a democratic takeover?


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Enlil]
    #27406738 - 07/29/21 08:04 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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You actually believe that most folks want a socialist party?




Not even close, but enough within the Democratic Party want a more progressive agenda that should warrant the leverage to push piecemeal reforms like a public option, or increased taxes on the rich, something easy like that. But it doesn’t warrant that leverage because the Democrats would rather lose (and guarantee corporate servitude) than win with a socialist, which is clearly the case.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27406745 - 07/29/21 08:08 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Those policies clearly aren't socialist.  I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  If you're lamenting the fact that socialism can't happen in this country under the current constitution, fine.  That's not the "power structure" doing it as much as the structure of our entire system from its inception.  If you're upset that progressive policies aren't being implemented as quickly as you'd like, that's fine too....but that's always going to be the case, since you're an "everything right now" kinda guy.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Enlil]
    #27406760 - 07/29/21 08:17 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

That couldn’t be farther from the truth. This socialist mayor isn’t making socialist demands, from what I’ve seen. Socialist is just what Americans call someone who wants to use public funds for the betterment of the public. If someone’s got a clip of her calling for the nationalization of industries or a dictatorship of the working class I’d be delighted to watch it.

A socialist in the Democratic Party dreams of a big ol sandwich, but quickly realizes the most they’ll get inside this framework is maybe a few bread crusts. And then momentum builds for the Get A Single Crumb Act, and Democratic leaders still say no. I’m frustrated about the sandwich, sure, and the bread crusts, but what draws most of my ire in the day to day is how vehemently the ruling class sabotages the Crumb Act. I’m sure most people feel the same, but they also feel they have nowhere to turn, so they keep voting Democrat in the hopes that someday somehow the Pelosis and Schumers and Bidens’ hearts will grow 3 sizes and finally pass the Crumb Act. Would the Crumb Act pass if there was a progressive third party that could play spoiler in the election process? Maybe. It’s funny because you’re right, most people don’t want a socialist party, to whatever degree the millennials and zoomers are socialists is debatable, since Americans can’t define words correctly. But still, the allure is there for something different, and that something could pose a serious threat to the power structure. So why not just nip that in the bud and give us the crumbs? Seems like an easy enough solution, and an easy enough goal for progressives. And yet here we are.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27406800 - 07/29/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

If there was some grand conspiracy to keep the people's will at bay, your logic would be solid.  There isn't though.  We have 536 people in DC who are necessarily "safe" choices for candidates.  People don't like fast change and they don't vote for outliers.  That's just the way it works.  It doesn't take corporate interference or a cabal of illuminati.  It just takes standard human frailty.

Big thinkers with big ideas can thrive in America, but not so much in politics.  Change will necessarily be slow and necessarily be several steps behind the American ethos.  This means there will always be plenty of people like you who wonder what's taking so fucking long.


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    #27406814 - 07/29/21 09:06 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I think you’re smart enough to know that there is tremendous political and economic value in pacifying the mob, but that fact is a detriment to your argument.

Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post, a newspaper that loses money, for $250M. Why do you suppose?

Can we skip this argument so we don’t have to argue about William Randolph Hearst or Operation Mockingbird for 10 pages? To whatever varying extent, those in power bend the will of the people with propaganda.

I can see why it’s nice to believe that “the arc of history is long but always bends towards justice” stuff, but thats not how history works. I didn’t think people would still lend credibility to it after we saw Trump get elected, especially since his side wants to go backwards to 1950 and his opposition wants to go backwards to 2008. “People don’t like fast change and don’t vote for outliers.” I’m pretty sure you’re aware of what happened in 2016. There’s no progress, no vision for progress, and that’s not the fault of the voters, where your argument conveniently places blame. Voters can elect a “socialist,” and the ruling class will just change the rules. If you did it in a different country, our ruling class would just kill you. There is a shitload of money and power at play and it’s foolish to think any one of those people who currently wield it would risk losing either on the whims of the average pleb. And this is of course ignoring the will of all the people who don’t see the utility in voting in the first place.  The biggest victories for progress in this country’s history weren’t achieved at the ballot box.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27406832 - 07/29/21 09:30 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I think you're overestimating the size of the mob.

It's like the "silent majority" that republicans keep talking about. It's like, a 30% 'majority' if we're being generous.

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    #27407182 - 07/29/21 01:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

The mob is 99% of us, we all just get pacified and our energy redirected in different ways. That’s why we don’t talk about politics in terms of class, the power that the average person has there would be striking. Instead we talk about politics in terms of parties, race, sexual orientation, whether you’re pro this or anti that, etc.

Most of it is just culture war bullshit. The A/C repair guy doesn’t oppose taxes on the rich because he sincerely believes in trickle down economics or any objective measure, he opposes it because liberals are for it and they’re pussies. And since he’s not a pussy, one day he’ll own a bunch of A/C repair shops and be rich too.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27407388 - 07/29/21 03:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Feel like I had this conversation with wolf about assange a little while ago.

Yeah. So?

They don't care, and until you can make them care, they will actively oppose you. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos]
    #27407516 - 07/29/21 04:51 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Until someone comes out with some psychological vaccine against propaganda, I’ll respect anyone who even tries to “make them care.”


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27408048 - 07/30/21 01:56 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Probably the difference between Americans and people who accept some degrees of socialism is that we haven't been destroyed in two world wars or similar calamities. By the time something like that happens to us, I don't think there will be time left to create a more humane social system.

Like you say, the AC guy does believe he'll be rich someday. But there is no vaccine against propaganda. There always has been and always will be propaganda, its just a matter of whose story and whose interests are being served. There's no reason to be optimistic here, except maybe in very small doses, and that's if we're lucky.

It could happen if we stop being the world power or one of the top few, but I don't think us becoming less exploitive is going to make China or whoever else fills the power void follow suit.


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    #27408154 - 07/30/21 07:14 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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It’s more about intent than what they’re actually able to accomplish, which begs the question: what have they done with this intent, and accomplished, that we don’t know about

If they’re (explicitly) willing to abolish the position of mayor in a (relatively) small city just to keep city funds from being reallocated away from the police and the rich, what else have they done ? What else will they do?

We had a discussion about reform v revolution in a different thread, and this is pertinent to that debate. Of what use is reform when the house will change the rules if you even come close to altering the smallest thing? Of course they probably won’t actually pull this off, but it’s a window into the playbook of capital: they’ll completely restructure how city government works before they let a “socialist” have an influential position in the process, but then at the same time refuse to do anything about the filibuster (because in that instance, the structures in place benefit capital).

People want to say “we live in a democracy, just vote!” but what happens when we elect a Bernie type figure as president, and both parties decide to abolish the presidency? This development should be alarming, not because it will happen, but because it’s being floated as a legitimate option.




I understand your argument, but "being floated as a legitimate option" is an awfully speculative phrase. Am I missing something in the link, because all I see is one guy named Wyatt introducing a resolution, which might mean nothing. If they did this and got away with it that would be a subversion of democracy, and if you lived in Buffalo I would give you credit for at least trying to sound the alarm, but I'm not sure if there is even a story here.


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    #27408280 - 07/30/21 09:53 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

What needs to happen to meet the parameters of it being floated as an option?

Democratic legislators in Buffalo are considering it, enough that the media is discussing it. Are you not familiar with how political ideas are floated? This is how. You leak a bit of info to the media and gauge the public response, then you know how to proceed.

If some Republican city council was mulling over abolishing the seat of mayor because a democrat won, it would make national headlines.


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    #27408324 - 07/30/21 10:34 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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If some Republican city council was mulling over abolishing the seat of mayor because a democrat won, it would make national headlines.




Not until they actually started passing resolutions with a majority of the legislature.

That's what happened in WI and NC.

Of course, some small time journalists/gossip rags might pick up on proposals, like the gun ownership requirement from...what was it, Arkansas? Kansas? One of those central US shitholes.

Other times, proposals might be floated for the purposes of satire, like how that one lady floated the idea of a law that required men to track their ejaculations and report them to the state of GA.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27408393 - 07/30/21 11:49 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

lol I forgot about that, but yeah I get y’all’s point. I’ve been following the aftermath of the primary election but it’s practically a mathematical certainty at this point that a vaguely left figure ousting the established democrat in a primary necessitates the local/state/national party putting effort into undermining their own ticket. They probably won’t do anything too drastic, but there’s evidence of this type of fuckery everywhere. Bernie Sanders had to launch fundraisers for the Nevada Democratic Party because, after the DSA candidates seized power, the Harry Reid progeny stole all the money during the lame duck session. Right now, Democratic leaders are lining up behind Shontel Brown (who’s on the verge of an ethics investigation) in the Cleveland House special election, all because the Bernie wing figure Nina Turner is up there by like 30 points in the polls.

I think there’s significance in pointing out this bullshit during a time where the Democrats are doing little else but grandstanding about how much they cherish democracy and the will of the voters.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27455082 - 09/03/21 04:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

A judge has ordered that Byron Brown (the guy who lost the primary) be placed on the ballot. The judge’s brother just happens to be a major donor to Brown.

https://twitter.com/georgerichert4/status/1433834193788805148?s=21


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27458219 - 09/06/21 12:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

India Walton, who won the democratic primary and is endorsed by the local Democratic Party, was just told she can’t sit with the cool kids near the Governor at the Buffalo Labor Day Parade.


https://twitter.com/aaronbesecker/status/1434901304896327684?s=21


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    #27458572 - 09/06/21 06:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

We'll see but early signs are you were right.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27470771 - 09/16/21 03:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

A judge has overturned the previous ruling allowing the primary loser to be on the ballot.

https://twitter.com/indiawaltonbflo/status/1438599971532644353?s=21


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    #27510015 - 10/19/21 10:17 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Bumping this thread once again because the (Democratic) Governor of New York is refusing to endorse the Democratic nominee for Mayor of Buffalo, because it’s clear that the Democratic establishment prefers the third party candidate.

“Vote blue no matter who” only ever applied to the left, centrists are allowed to pick and choose and cast unity to the winds when it suits their interests.


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    #27528130 - 11/02/21 09:27 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like Walton will lose the race tonight to the incumbent, Byron Brown, who lost the Democratic primary but launched a write-in campaign that was essentially run by Democratic Party operatives.

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    #27528489 - 11/03/21 08:29 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

They can't officially declare it for weeks because they accept absentee ballots till the 9th, but Brown's lead is huge. He was also helped by there being no Republican candidate, so every anti-socialist vote went to him. Under these bizarre circumstances, Walton woud have done better if she had run a no information campaign (like Biden).


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    #27528501 - 11/03/21 08:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The bizarre circumstance being a threat to the Democratic status quo.

If Brown did what progressives are scolded into doing after losing a primary (bowing out gracefully and endorsing the democratic nominee) she would’ve won by 50 points.


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    #27528509 - 11/03/21 09:03 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Actually the bizzare circumstances involved a lot of things. In the primary, Walton got 11,132 votes. Brown spent 70K on that campaign which was less than one fifth of what he spent in the previous primary. He refused to debate her, while he did 2 debates the time before. Basically he didn't campaign.

If Brown did not run a write-in campaign in the actual election, a moderate Republican could have and probably won. People didn't vote for Brown; they voted against socialism.


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    #27528556 - 11/03/21 09:44 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Then how did Walton beat him in the primary lol


It was a sour grapes third party campaign waged by democrats and republicans alike to secure a friendly face in a prominent political position. If a “moderate Republican” thought they could win, an election where the democratic vote was split was probably the time to do it. But like most of the northeast, an elected Republican is a tough sell, way easier to have the corporate democrat govern the same way but with a very pleasing blue ‘D’ beside their name.


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    #27528566 - 11/03/21 09:54 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Because the only people that vote in primaries are extremely political weirdos that nobody wants to hang out with, and that's why they have time to vote in primaries?

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    #27528595 - 11/03/21 10:16 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Then how did Walton beat him in the primary lol


It was a sour grapes third party campaign waged by democrats and republicans alike to secure a friendly face in a prominent political position. If a “moderate Republican” thought they could win, an election where the democratic vote was split was probably the time to do it. But like most of the northeast, an elected Republican is a tough sell, way easier to have the corporate democrat govern the same way but with a very pleasing blue ‘D’ beside their name.




He doesn't have a 'D' next to his name. Like I said, she got 11,000 votes. It's not like it was a big public statement. The populaion is 278,000. Nobody thought the primary was worth voting in.


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    #27528599 - 11/03/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Fair points.

But this is the playbook now. You stop an AOC by just running Crowley third party if you lose the primary.


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    #27528611 - 11/03/21 10:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, it will be copied.

The Virginia election looks done. I knew the Democrats would fuck everything up. I just never thought it would be this quick.

Manchin 2024? The Dems wont want to run communist Biden again.


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    #27528624 - 11/03/21 10:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

All the usual talking heads are now and will be calling for a better triangulation to the center, no different than when they blamed 2020 congressional losses on BLM and Defund the Police.

In Virginia it’s multiple things.

Biden won the state by 10 points but the incumbent always loses steam in the run up to the midterms.

The CRT hysteria contributed, although it’s pretty impossible to say just how much.

The VA House of Delegates apparently gerrymandered some districts making it easier for Republicans to carry them, although I haven’t read too much about this.

The Lincoln Project doing a KKK false flag the week before Election Day was a stupid move and didn’t help.

The Democrats replicating Hillary’s pied piper strategy with Trump by literally spending money to send out ads tying Youngkin to Trump (despite Youngkin being somewhat distant from the farther right MAGA crowd) was a stupid move and didn’t help.

I think the last two were self owns and the first three are inevitabilities, but could have been mitigated if the Democratic leadership had committed to passing the Biden agenda by now. Instead they’ve abandoned virtually all of their campaign promises and voters have taken notice. Whether the Dems actually pass some watered down bill before the midterms, or don’t pass one at all, I don’t think it will matter. They’re gonna absolutely lose the Senate next year and Biden’s presidency will have amounted to basically nothing but an affirmation of Trumpism.


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