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Socialist Mayor of Buffalo * 1
    #27361612 - 06/24/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27362090 - 06/24/21 09:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

FBI should be taking care of that, since she's a terrorist by the recently updated definition.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos]
    #27362284 - 06/25/21 02:27 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

At some point in the future the FBI will go back to arresting leftists. Right now the arrest count on the capital riots passed 500.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27362427 - 06/25/21 07:41 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Socialism that funny boogeyman for conservatives. Anyone that's actually worried I would suggest turning on tucker Carlson to get appropriately filled with rage like a good little neanderthal.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27362580 - 06/25/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Poll: Capitalism and Socialism

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Today, 18-34 year-olds are almost evenly split between those who view capitalism positively and those who view it negatively (49% vs. 46%). Two years ago, that margin was a gaping 20 points (58% vs. 38%).
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Among adults in Gen Z (ages 18-24), perceptions of capitalism are truly underwater: 42% have a positive view and 54% have a negative view.

And more specifically, young Republicans have seen real movement in the past two years: in 2019, 81% of Republicans and GOP leaners age 18-34 had a positive view of capitalism; today, that number has fallen to 66%.
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...views among Republicans have shifted quite a bit by age. In 2019, 40% of Republicans age 18-34 said the government should pursue policies that reduce the wealth gap; that has increased to 56% today among the same age group.




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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27363258 - 06/25/21 07:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

It is encouraging that young Republicans are getting more progressive. I wonder if they're voting? The last primary convinced me that young democrats pretty much stopped voting after California.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27366459 - 06/28/21 03:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The centrist idiot who lost the primary to the socialist is now announcing he’s “received a lot of support” to run a third party campaign for mayor.

So he’s gonna try to split the vote and then Democrats can say “see? Socialism can’t win! (because we actively sabotage it)”

Who wants to place bets on whether the local and state democratic parties endorse the democratic candidate for mayor?


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27367179 - 06/29/21 07:25 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I misread the original article and didn't realize it was a primary. The incumbent who lost has to run as a write in but it could be done with enough support. The state party could support him but I don't think the Buffalo party could, at least visibly.

Richard M Daley tried to pull this same shit when he came in third his first try in the primary for mayor of Chicago. His father's cronies in the machine said he split the white vote with incumbent Jane Bryne and allowed Harold Washington to become the city's first black mayor.

The Buffalo situation doesn't have the racial component because they're both black. I don't know that much about New York state politics because NYC is so big it makes it look like the state is lefty, but probably it's not. However, Coumo is on such thin ice now, I don't think he would make waves here.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27367232 - 06/29/21 08:08 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it could really go either way.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27367238 - 06/29/21 08:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it would be a nice local victory if she gets in. I lost faith in a top down move to left, but progress can be made at the lower and middle levels.

I read an article last night about a poll showing younger people are becoming less favorable to capitalism, including young Republicans. They weren't necessarily become more favorable to socialism, so I guess a  lot hinges on how you phrase the question.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27367297 - 06/29/21 09:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I know it’s cliche to go back to the tumult of early 20th century Europe, but when socialism gained a foothold there the capitalists just adopted some socialist rhetoric and then cracked down on the actual left using every tool at their disposal: industry, media, nationalism, racism, etc. I gotta think the people in the smoke filled rooms see what’s coming, and they’ll go right back to the same playbook that worked for them last time. Climate change will make it a little easier for us to wall ourselves off and justify keeping what little we (upstanding patriotic white people) have left.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27367352 - 06/29/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
I read an article last night about a poll showing younger people are becoming less favorable to capitalism, including young Republicans. They weren't necessarily become more favorable to socialism, so I guess a  lot hinges on how you phrase the question.




Various forms of EcoFash are becoming popular among young republicans.

Which is basically this:

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The Ecstatic said:
Climate change will make it a little easier for us to wall ourselves off and justify keeping what little we (upstanding patriotic white people) have left.




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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27367421 - 06/29/21 10:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Reminds me of this quote I dropped in the political cartoons thread a while back



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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27369352 - 06/30/21 05:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
The centrist idiot who lost the primary to the socialist is now announcing he’s “received a lot of support” to run a third party campaign for mayor.

So he’s gonna try to split the vote and then Democrats can say “see? Socialism can’t win! (because we actively sabotage it)”

Who wants to place bets on whether the local and state democratic parties endorse the democratic candidate for mayor?




And right on cue, the NY state Democratic Party is pledging to “not get involved” with the Democratic candidate for mayor.

https://twitter.com/danielmarans/status/1410340569818316805?s=21


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27369933 - 07/01/21 04:38 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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A black woman with a tough background just got elected Mayor of Buffalo as a socialist.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-socialist-is-poised-to-become-mayor-of-a-major-us-city-is-it-a-movement-or-a-blip/ar-AALofAe?ocid=msedgntp


this woman is real hero we need more erected officials that are socialists to whip this country in to shape.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27369946 - 07/01/21 04:54 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

They need to send those assholes to china work camps for what they did. This bigger than 9/11 an pearl harbor combined.

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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27403944 - 07/27/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
The centrist idiot who lost the primary to the socialist is now announcing he’s “received a lot of support” to run a third party campaign for mayor.

So he’s gonna try to split the vote and then Democrats can say “see? Socialism can’t win! (because we actively sabotage it)”

Who wants to place bets on whether the local and state democratic parties endorse the democratic candidate for mayor?




And right on cue, the NY state Democratic Party is pledging to “not get involved” with the Democratic candidate for mayor.

https://twitter.com/danielmarans/status/1410340569818316805?s=21





It seems like their plan to split the vote isn’t gonna work so now the Democratic controlled Buffalo city council is just gonna do away with the position of mayor altogether.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/common-council-researching-form-of-governance-that-replaces-the-mayor/article_bf646d98-ecd8-11eb-a730-83866764e590.html


Literally just abolish the mayor if it’s gonna be a socialist.

Tell me more about the Democratic party’s steadfast defense of democracy.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27404411 - 07/27/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

The article you cited says:
1. They are researching it.
2. "Any change that would eliminate the office of mayor would have to come via a citywide ballot referendum, which would be all but impossible to get on the ballot by November.

The Democrats are capable of all manor of undemocratic maneuvers, but don't you think your post jumped the gun a bit.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27405358 - 07/28/21 07:53 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

It’s more about intent than what they’re actually able to accomplish, which begs the question: what have they done with this intent, and accomplished, that we don’t know about

If they’re (explicitly) willing to abolish the position of mayor in a (relatively) small city just to keep city funds from being reallocated away from the police and the rich, what else have they done ? What else will they do?

We had a discussion about reform v revolution in a different thread, and this is pertinent to that debate. Of what use is reform when the house will change the rules if you even come close to altering the smallest thing? Of course they probably won’t actually pull this off, but it’s a window into the playbook of capital: they’ll completely restructure how city government works before they let a “socialist” have an influential position in the process, but then at the same time refuse to do anything about the filibuster (because in that instance, the structures in place benefit capital).

People want to say “we live in a democracy, just vote!” but what happens when we elect a Bernie type figure as president, and both parties decide to abolish the presidency? This development should be alarming, not because it will happen, but because it’s being floated as a legitimate option.


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Re: Socialist Mayor of Buffalo [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27405451 - 07/28/21 09:31 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

You're taking the least bad option and pointing out the fact that it is still, in fact, bad.

Revolution is a much worse idea, unless you like right-wing death squads patrolling the streets. That is what any sort of government overthrow in the US will look like.

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