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Amazon Shop for: Kava Kava, Milk Thistle Extract, Valerian Root

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Valerian
    #2735624 - 05/27/04 08:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

ok, so i've been looking for something other than weed and alcohol to help relax after a hard day at work, a few weeks ago I tried Valerian (CVS brand, 450mg per pill), i tried the suggested dose and did'nt care for the effects, couple days later i tried three gel tabs, it was great! completly relaxed, colors became brighter, a mild smooth high (a weed high breaks things down into frames, this high was much smoother and dreamier.), so again, about a week later I tried six gel tabs, even better! same effects but with a stronger high.

so i've been looking around the internet trying to find info an valerian, and all i could find was that it can be mildly addictive with withdrawl syptoms such as headaches, restlessness and minor aches and pains, anybody know the LD50 of valerian? if there is one? is it safe to take six gel tabs (2700mg)?

i've also been looking into Kava Kava, i'm gonna have to order it over the net 'cause nobody seems to sell it around here.


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Re: Valerian [Re: JCoke]
    #2736415 - 05/27/04 01:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

They pulled kava from the shelves. The guy at GNC told me that they found it to be hepatoxic (toxic to the liver)


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Re: Valerian [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2736817 - 05/27/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i heard somehting about that on erowid about kava, any idea how bad for the liver? maybe milk thistle might take care of the problem?


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Re: Valerian [Re: JCoke]
    #2736846 - 05/27/04 02:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

old thread

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Re: Valerian [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #2736953 - 05/27/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks alot Young_but_cool, I just gotta make sure i'm getting the root, huh? that helps me out alot.


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Re: Valerian [Re: JCoke]
    #2737029 - 05/27/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Traditionally prepared kava gives the best results as well. I've never got off on extracts (and I've tried "the best"), but I guess they are better suited medically (as in will not knock you on the ass). Only  bad thing I have to say about kava root is that it gives you bad breath, and I get a slight hangover the next day.
But it is still one of my favorite plants  :sun:


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Re: Valerian [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #2737502 - 05/27/04 05:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

valerian is a sleep aid


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Re: Valerian [Re: DNICEONER]
    #2738727 - 05/27/04 10:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Valerian is psychoactive


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Re: Valerian [Re: DNICEONER]
    #2739695 - 05/28/04 12:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So is heroin


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Re: Valerian [Re: JCoke]
    #2742389 - 05/28/04 07:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Dr Andrew Weil says that valerian is one of the safest substances. He says you can give it to people of all ages. I take it in mild to large does on and off all the time. There is no addiction at all and I will go weeks without thinking about it no withdrawal at all. Things will get a bit hectic or I will have trouble sleeping and I will take it again. As for dosage I use tinctures and will squeeze off a few droppers full. Such a great taste and smell, it literally smells like rotten foot and tastes real sweet. :smile:

As for Kava it is the extracts that have been proven to harm the liver over time. Traditional preps. and the people who have been drinking them for ages show no signs of liver damage at all. If you can get the roots or root powder then you will be OK.


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Re: Valerian [Re: phreakyzen]
    #2742638 - 05/28/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

actually i belive it depends on the type of kava root used. some have more liver toxins and some have less. all about getting the quality stuff. and i assume they use the crappier stuff to do the extraction.


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Re: Valerian [Re: the man]
    #2742703 - 05/28/04 09:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My wife who works for Whole Foods Market has read about studies that show the extraction is the reason. When you produce an extract you are removing properties that are meant to work together with the extracted properties. When you take an exact extraction of something you are taking it other than the way nature intended it to be taken. A system of checks and balances exists within all substances. When you remove the balance it my have adverse effects and it may not. This seems to be a case were it has an adverse effect. This is the gist of the studies she has read.


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Re: Valerian [Re: phreakyzen]
    #2744896 - 05/29/04 07:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

so whats a good place to order kava? Bouncing bear stuff any good? how many doses would around 54gm you think would make? and whats this so called Traditional way of preparing Kava? chewing it up and spitting it back into a bowl than drinking it later?

sorry for all the questions, my computer is fucking up and it would take about an hour just to get to the search page.


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Re: Valerian [Re: the man]
    #2745644 - 05/30/04 03:20 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Actually the reason that the extracts were toxic to the liver was becase the pharm companies were greedy and were using both the relatively harmless root and also the stems and leaves which contain the toxins.
If they only used the root and avoided the aboveground material it would be far safer.


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Re: Valerian [Re: JCoke]
    #2878022 - 07/11/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

sometimes when I really can't sleep I take 1-few valerian capsules and it works great :thumbup:


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