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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
    #27353408 - 06/18/21 10:12 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I started compressing my top layers with a trowel, and going thick. I've been doing 1" for reg cubes and 1.5- 2" for PE, no blobs, great pinset. The compression plays a big roll, I'd say its 50/50 thickness and compression. If either are lacking it doesn't work as well.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353412 - 06/18/21 10:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

That being said, I’ve had a question for ya that I’ve been meaning to ask.. is the 1.5-2” after compression or before?

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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: fahtster]
    #27353419 - 06/18/21 10:20 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

:takingnotes:I always compress but my subs don't end up being super thick after the squish unless it's oat spawn. I do most of my mea6in mass and run the 66qt purple latch sterilites.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: fahtster]
    #27353422 - 06/18/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

After, it's all fluffy so it looks like more before compression.

So I realize that isn't helpful because it doesn't allow for measurement so this is what I do.

I use roughly 1100gr coir, 3 full quarts of verm, 5 liters h20  . After expansion I use 12 liters as the substrate and then the remainder is enough to make a 2" top layer after compression. This is how I run my PE. Never blobs, always great pinset.

My last run was 21 tubs or so, not a single blob. I use the 66qt purple handles bad boys as well.

My coir never weighs the same so it fluctuates, roughly 1100gr though. I say 1.5 to 2" because the weight of the coir doesn't always get me to 2". I ran a nearly 3" layer once and it still worked great, so, I always dump whatever I have left in my bucket on top of my tubs. I get anywhere from 1 to 2". I prefer thick for PE though.



That was my worst flush from 21 tubs.

Works great for everything.

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My tubs are one and done, no room for a second flush to pin ; )


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353442 - 06/18/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for the explanation.  Beautiful tubs, man!  Nice to have so many tools to get the job done.  :thumbup:

Edit: do you have multiple cultures where this is working for PE?  I’m assuming so, but I’m sure others are wondering as well.

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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353456 - 06/18/21 10:56 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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After, it's all fluffy so it looks like more before compression.

So I realize that isn't helpful because it doesn't allow for measurement so this is what I do.

I use roughly 1100gr coir, 3 full quarts of verm, 5 liters h20  . After expansion I use 12 liters as the substrate and then the remainder is enough to make a 2" top layer after compression. This is how I run my PE. Never blobs, always great pinset.

My last run was 21 tubs or so, not a single blob. I use the 66qt purple handles bad boys as well.

My coir never weighs the same so it fluctuates, roughly 1100gr though. I say 1.5 to 2" because the weight of the coir doesn't always get me to 2". I ran a nearly 3" layer once and it still worked great, so, I always dump whatever I have left in my bucket on top of my tubs. I get anywhere from 1 to 2". I prefer thick for PE though.



That was my worst flush from 21 tubs.

Works great for everything.

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My tubs are one and done, no room for a second flush to pin ; )





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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: fahtster]
    #27353461 - 06/18/21 10:59 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I had 3 or 4 clones that I was playing with along with MS. It worked for all cultures used.

I was running a lot of PE so that meant handling waaay  too much jiffy. It was becoming an ordeal so I started with normal top layer, which bobbed the fuck out. I eventually just went as big as I could with what I had left in the bucket, I was hesitant to think it was anything but a one off so after it worked on my first attempt I increased to 4 tubs. When they all worked I ran more.

Due to the volume of CV I was dumping onto my tubs it required me to compress it to fit under the holes on the side of my tubs. Not so much compression that the water wants to squeeze out, but firmly enough that its flat as fuck. One time I used too much for substrate which didn't leave enough for a top layer so I had to make more. I accidentally dropped way too much top layer down so after compression it was above my holes. I let it run anyways, still pinned and flushed fine, it just took a lot longer.

My last run was 21 or 22 tubs pe and like 5 tubs TOC. All tubs across multiple varieties and multiple clones plus MS worked amazing.

I'll never go back to fluffy, thin top layers or jiffy.

Then I had to pack up shop because my building caught some heat from some crazy drunk chick's we had over. It was a close call, lol. Too many tubs to get away with a slap on the hand.



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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353466 - 06/18/21 11:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Samushlove]
    #27353471 - 06/18/21 11:14 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Whoa 1100g coir is a lot more than my 800g. I use 1qt verm and 1gal hot water. I'll try your recipe on a few tubs soon.
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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
    #27353473 - 06/18/21 11:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I use super fine coir as well, it makes a difference.


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    #27353497 - 06/18/21 11:33 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Would you reccomend running coir through a chipper shredder before hydrting? Seens I got a set of variables to play with. Need to start a Journal I suppose.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Failboat]
    #27353500 - 06/18/21 11:37 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like too much effort and over complications. I just buy premium coir for cannabis, that's what I would recommend.

I haven't tried this method with coarser types of coir, so I can't vouch for that. I would imagine that coarse coir wouldn't hold water as well or compress as well.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353506 - 06/18/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

There is a huge difference in coir. God damn, I bought some cheaper stuff a few months ago and there were like huge tumbleweeds and rats nests of shit everywhere among the seashells and plastic. 5kg bricks of mother earth and general hydro do me well. I haven't sprung for the ultra nice shit that's like another $5 a brick but probably try next trip.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Smartattack]
    #27353523 - 06/18/21 11:55 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I had some issues with stuff from the pet store, I switched to this stuff and won't ever go back.



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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Smartattack]
    #27353553 - 06/18/21 12:29 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Been working & setting up the new space...
Busy busy busy..


Moving the hood to the new lab & found a T1 Pearly Gates from late Jan or Early Feb that fell behind.. Intresting almost Enigma like Growth. Will be transferring out tonight at the new spot.

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    #27353567 - 06/18/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah I had some issues with stuff from the pet store, I switched to this stuff and won't ever go back.







Oh yeah that's the pricey stuff I was talking about :lol:

I used to run my weed OP on Canna products. I really liked their stuff.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353570 - 06/18/21 12:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

General hydro Cocotek is my go to when available. Recently have been running this stuff with killer results. Like 8 bucks a 10 lb brick otd if picked up dirrect from warehouse in Sothern Oregon




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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Buddaking]
    #27353579 - 06/18/21 12:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

hows the potency of melmak compared to regular PE or APE? About same?


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27353638 - 06/18/21 01:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Got a Homestead plate pin from a friend, master jar looks good.

Going to send it to like 10 bags for a clone hunt.








I wouldn't expand that jar, it's bacterial. Just a heads up.




My best jars always look like this.

I can't say i've ever been able to get a jar looking nicer, but I was under the impression this was solid.

Usually will make it to 2nd flush with zero issues.

I'll read through your thread and see what I can do to tighten up my game, can't think of anything besides dialing in grain prep even more or being incredibly picky about cultures on agar.


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Re: Melmak / Homestead Only [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27353660 - 06/18/21 01:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Attention to detail and finicky selectivity will win the day. If you are getting second flushes (especially ones that contaminate) it tells me you're not dialed in. A clean and efficient culture will absolutely dominate your substrates leaving little to no room for subsequent flushes.

Take a look at the bags in the OP, something tells me he doesn't run them through twice.

Experiencing contamination at any point during your grow, whether it's the first, second, third flush etc has a direct correlation to the cleanliness of your spawn. Contamination that prevents a first flush is the worst obviously, after or during first flush is slightly better, second flush better still and so on.

The later the flush that contaminates, the smaller the infection, however there IS still an infection. Clean spawn will run uncontaminated ime regardless of flush number.

The master jar pictured above falls under that category, it will flush but poorly and will eventually tam out. So why bother? Certainly not worth expanding.

Expansion should be reserved for the cream of the crop, but I feel the same about all spawn whether it be for expansion or bulk its the only way to get that one and done tub/bag, etc.


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