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 Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID  [Re: shouldi]
#27373230 - 07/03/21 07:41 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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shouldi said:
Hello! First time poster, wondered if I could get an ID please 
I presume these could be Panaeolus cinctulus?
Location: South East England (UK)
Habitat: Lawn/Grass
Bruising: Darker brown when pinched, NO blue
Cap: <3.5cm, Creamy brown, some darkened on the tip or very edge.
Smell: Mushroomy, like from the store
Gills: Adnexed
Stem: Straw like, <8cm
Had to mow the lawn, so just quickly picked some in hope they were pan cinc.
The yellower images are with flash, bluer images - without flash.
The lines on the paper are 0.8cm apart.
Some had been very lightly nibbled at, more so on the gills. Out of curiousity, do you know what eats them? Rabbits? Insects?
The pics are about ~5hrs after picking.
Patch #1
      
Patch #2
     
Thanks
Both look to be panaeolus foensecii, Cinctulus will have jet black spore print. Foensecii have dark brown.
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Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID [Re: shouldi]
#27373231 - 07/03/21 07:41 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting pan paps u say... is that a bit more of a tropical or folks up nprth get them too... blaxk spores but think thats consistent with paps eh? Edit nm paps are everywhere! Thanks guys
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Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID [Re: the man]
#27373236 - 07/03/21 07:45 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting pan paps u say... is that a bit more of a tropical or folks up nprth get them too... blaxk spores but think thats consistent with paps eh?
I think they are pretty widespread. I see them all the time in Oregon, probably the most common panaeolus I see in pastures around here. Yep they have jet black spore prints. The veil fragments are the biggest giveaway for me.
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Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID [Re: Kaeden123]
#27373557 - 07/04/21 04:16 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting, thank you
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Kaeden123]
#27373846 - 07/04/21 11:12 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icyurmt said:
The ones on the left are interesting looking, pretty sure I’ve found something very similar a while back. The stems look a bit different, but the odd cap shape with margins curling in reminded me of these.
Compared to what I’m guessing is P. Acuminatus
The ID request thread for those buggers, Alan said “I sequenced the same species, a California collection. It's a few nucleotides different than what I call Panaeolus papilionaceus sensu stricto. I don't know if it has been described or not.”
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27188624
I probably should’ve been more clear with my posting but that picture shows four different piles of some of the common species a find on the manure. From left, paps, cints, conocybes, and Coprinoid. So MpSeph you are absolutely right the center right pile are some nasties you wouldn’t want to eat by mistake.
The paps in your photo are really cool looking, they have that strange bullet like cap that the ones I find around me have but yours also have those really thick cints looking stems. Strange looking for sure. Curious if you ever ended up trying them? I’m also guessing they’ve just got to be different variations of papilionaceus as well, but who knows? I’ll try to get more photos of mine next time I head over that way, i’ve also been enjoying being able to compare and contrast different pans everyone is posting up here. It is interesting that Alan said they might not be described yet. Cool looking mushrooms, thank you for sharing those!
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Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID [Re: shouldi]
#27373856 - 07/04/21 11:20 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spore Print Looks A Little Light, Cincts Have A Jet Black Print. These Might Be Foes.
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Icyurmt] 1
#27373857 - 07/04/21 11:23 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swung by one of my spots today since it’s been raining for a few days now and haven’t been able to get out much. Really looking forward to tonight’s fireworks! Hope everyone has a good weekend!  
 
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Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID [Re: shouldi]
#27373997 - 07/04/21 01:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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EDIT: My computer straight joshed me my bad
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Edited by Carmodycaramel (07/04/21 01:35 PM)
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Oh my god the Panaeolus weren't dead they were gearing up for a MASSIVE offensive against the Conocybes... stay tuned for updates
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Icyurmt]
#27374006 - 07/04/21 01:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icyurmt said:
Swung by one of my spots today since it’s been raining for a few days now and haven’t been able to get out much. Really looking forward to tonight’s fireworks! Hope everyone has a good weekend!
dang serious hall there.. make a bed or feild? They never get chunky like that here prob just a dif sp up here in 'cinctulus group'.
may be a foe or 2 in there? 2nd photo top left? pan mvp 
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: the man]
#27374043 - 07/04/21 02:24 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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There must have been hundreds out there in a healthy lawn out in front of a shopping center. Had to call it off short because the locals were starting to get disturbed lol.
Even found a bunch of those weird secotioid ones:
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Moria841]
#27374073 - 07/04/21 02:57 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Moria841 said:
There must have been hundreds out there in a healthy lawn out in front of a shopping center. Had to call it off short because the locals were starting to get disturbed lol.
Even found a bunch of those weird secotioid ones:
Wow, such a nice find!!
Seems like the dudes stopped growing here for me, I need to try and get some good photos before the end of the year.
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Moria841]
#27374202 - 07/04/21 05:09 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icyurmt said: paps in your photo are really cool looking, they have that strange bullet like cap that the ones I find around me have but yours also have those really thick cints looking stems. Strange looking for sure. Curious if you ever ended up trying them? I’m also guessing they’ve just got to be different variations of papilionaceus as well, but who knows? I’ll try to get more photos of mine next time I head over that way, i’ve also been enjoying being able to compare and contrast different pans everyone is posting up here. It is interesting that Alan said they might not be described yet. Cool looking mushrooms, thank you for sharing those!
Never ended up trying them, but yeah, I’ve never seen stems or a cap like that on a pap before.
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Icyurmt said:
Swung by one of my spots today since it’s been raining for a few days now and haven’t been able to get out much. Really looking forward to tonight’s fireworks! Hope everyone has a good weekend!
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Moria841 said:
There must have been hundreds out there in a healthy lawn out in front of a shopping center. Had to call it off short because the locals were starting to get disturbed lol.
Even found a bunch of those weird secotioid ones:
Ohhh yeahhh
Awesome finds guys
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Kaeden123]
#27374208 - 07/04/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh cool those secatoid ones, perhaps what ive heard rumors of "libs" in this area actually being.. unless it was from imported animals and was a 1 and done type thing.. bu.t def sorta have that look of libs to untrained eye and if got a little bluing.
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Moria841]
#27374226 - 07/04/21 05:43 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Moria841 said:
There must have been hundreds out there in a healthy lawn out in front of a shopping center. Had to call it off short because the locals were starting to get disturbed lol.
Even found a bunch of those weird secotioid ones:
Print those and take tissue samples on agar if you can i am researching these to determine if they are actually a distinct species or not, they are certainly active tho
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Shroomhunts]
#27374249 - 07/04/21 06:06 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll try to cut a cap in half to print them, I don't have any agar plates ready at the moment but if i have a chance to get some going I'll definitely try to get a clone to take
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Re: Wild Panaeolus cinctulus? ID [Re: Kaeden123]
#27374433 - 07/04/21 09:07 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice finds Moria, those secotioid ones are dope looking!
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Never ended up trying them, but yeah, I’ve never seen stems or a cap like that on a pap before.
I’ve never seen Paps with stems like yours before but all of them here start off with that rolled inward margin and depending on conditions they can grow quite large like that before they eventually expand their caps and break the veil. I don’t have any pics right now of larger ones like that but here’s a few that show the younger caps. I wonder if the ones in your photographs would’ve ever matured further?
   
May as well post up these pics of a sterile pap I found earlier this year while I’m going through that folder, I thought this guy was cool.
 
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: the man]
#27374459 - 07/04/21 09:43 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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dang serious hall there.. make a bed or feild? They never get chunky like that here prob just a dif sp up here in 'cinctulus group'.
may be a foe or 2 in there? 2nd photo top left? pan mvp
Haha, thanks the man! All of these were found growing on horse manure in thigh high grass in a pasture. It’s quite possible that a foe or two snuck in, as I certainly did not print all of these.. It could also just be bad lighting when I took the photo making the stem look whiter than it was? I have yet to find a foe growing directly on manure (uncertain whether or not they ever do?) I will occasionally see them close to the piles in the grass though. Paps, cints, and likely fimicola, in that order, seem to be much more common where I hunt.
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Edited by Icyurmt (07/04/21 09:58 PM)
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Icyurmt]
#27374462 - 07/04/21 09:45 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Foes don't grow in manure, actually for whatever reason these last few weeks I've seen zero foes
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Re: Wild Panaeolus discussion thread [Re: Moria841]
#27374469 - 07/04/21 09:53 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh that’s great to know, thanks! I’ve been wondering that for a little while now.
It’s funny you say that, I’ve been looking for them to take more side-by-side photos and haven’t seen a single one in weeks. It seems the different species each have their own times. Except maybe paps, I almost always find those.
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