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What exactly is a trip on shrooms?
    #27337907 - 06/06/21 08:11 PM (11 days, 18 hours ago)

If there are not the open eyed visuals like you see in the movies.
What exactly is a trip.  What does this mean?


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    #27337964 - 06/06/21 09:19 PM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: damngoodcoffee]
    #27338010 - 06/06/21 10:06 PM (11 days, 16 hours ago)

It's an altered state of consciousness.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #27338085 - 06/06/21 11:11 PM (11 days, 15 hours ago)

If ya get into some potent ones you will for sure do some eye poppin lol. But the amount you need to get there varies from shroom to shroom. What takes 1.5G might take 2.5 on a different one. If your looking to outright bug your mind then I would say have an eighth ready and eat 2.5 a d see where that takes ya. Might be far enough in that ya want off the ride. Maybe you end up wanting more. Either way once ya eat them they will let you know what your gonna be doing for the next few hours.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Lovage]
    #27338445 - 06/07/21 06:49 AM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

You could probably learn a lot from the trip reports forum:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/5

Or erowid:
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Psilocybin.shtml

Or is there something more specific you want to know?


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Tacitus] * 2
    #27338458 - 06/07/21 07:08 AM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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Tacitus said:
If there are not the open eyed visuals like you see in the movies.
What exactly is a trip.  What does this mean?



Hard to say. Every experience is unique. It could feel like new emotions, colours, odd shapes and sizes. It could be thinking differently, or with inherent profundity. Psychedelics are hard to describe, it's something unique to you that has to be experienced to understand. Tripping is life under a microscope, everything zoomed in and in high focus. But I don't mean visually(although possible). I mean who you are. Your emotions and experiences and thoughts and feelings. Zoomed in to the point where they(you) flourish or otherwise prepared for analysis. I've seen a great many things, but most pale in comparison to the things I've felt.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: SonicTitan] * 4
    #27338625 - 06/07/21 10:53 AM (11 days, 3 hours ago)

This is an incredibly complex question.

  • Do you mean what is the simple, most basic, most "layman's" definition of a trip?


If so it would be

Quote:

SonicTitan said:
It's an altered state of consciousness.




  • Or do you mean what is the phenomenological content of a trip (i.e the effects)?


This varies dramatically from experience to experience and person to person. There are some effects that are generally associated and seem to occur with regularity such as

Closed Eye Visuals
Open Eye Visuals
Feelings of separation from one's "ego"
Feelings of oneness with nature
Intense bodily sensations
Increased visual and auditory acuity
Euphoria
Terror

This list is in no way exhaustive.

  • Or do you mean what IS a trip, chemically (i/e what is happening in the organism on a chemical level)?


Here's a good scientific paper on that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5756147/

  • Or do you mean what IS a trip, metaphysically/spiritually (i/e what is happening on a deeper level, an immaterial level if such a thing exists)?


That is the question so many psychonauts, gurus, scientists, etc have been trying to figure out. Plenty of people have their theories. But we don't really know, objectively, what a "trip" is in that sense.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 2
    #27338860 - 06/07/21 02:31 PM (10 days, 23 hours ago)

^What Socrates said.


Also, here is a flow chart that kinda sorta breaks down the different content/effects that one can experience when taking a psychedelic.





It's difficult to explain though. There is sooo much more going on that just one's visual perception being altered. With a full dose, the way one perceives the world as well as how they perceive themselves/their life will be viewed through a different lens/perspective.





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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: openmind]
    #27339073 - 06/07/21 05:23 PM (10 days, 20 hours ago)

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openmind said:
^What Socrates said.


Also, here is a flow chart that kinda sorta breaks down the different content/effects that one can experience when taking a psychedelic.





It's difficult to explain though. There is sooo much more going on that just one's visual perception being altered. With a full dose, the way one perceives the world as well as how they perceive themselves/their life will be viewed through a different lens/perspective.


-OM

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Awesome flow chart! Thanks for that :heart:


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Tacitus] * 1
    #27339244 - 06/07/21 07:16 PM (10 days, 19 hours ago)

you will keep surprising yourself because you keep tripping out on stuff that normally you ignore.
this can be mid sentence or even mid word.
this can be mid step.

maybe something you see, maybe you hear, maybe you think of something in a new way, maybe it's a body feeling that is just amazing, but it keeps on happening. the mind acts like time is for others, you can stay or go in a moment forever.

that is tripping.
enjoy your trips.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: openmind] * 1
    #27339258 - 06/07/21 07:25 PM (10 days, 18 hours ago)



"perceived oneness with the universe" :laugh2:

As opposed to actual oneness with the universe?


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27339525 - 06/08/21 01:14 AM (10 days, 13 hours ago)

Well actual oneness with the universe isn't much good if you can't perceive it.

But I noticed laughter isn't on that chart. Is it not a common effect to find everything hilarious? I experienced that and didn't like it since the humor was joyless. It would be nice to know that won't happen every time.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27340135 - 06/08/21 01:41 PM (10 days, 41 minutes ago)

Shrooms make the brain go funky


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: gone-pear-shaped] * 1
    #27340318 - 06/08/21 04:04 PM (9 days, 22 hours ago)

That chart leaves a lot out, as all charts do. :shrug:


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27340343 - 06/08/21 04:28 PM (9 days, 21 hours ago)

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That chart leaves a lot out, as all charts do. :shrug:




I don't think a chart can fully encompass the scope of such an incredible and, ultimately, subjective experience.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #27343078 - 06/10/21 02:48 PM (7 days, 23 hours ago)

Just a thought but it could be just like any other drug, (but not really.... don't tell anyone). Cocaine stimulates a part of the brain that controls logical thinking maybe, idk. Alcohol depresses parts. DXM stops different parts of the brain from communicating in much the same way dreaming does. Maybe mushrooms work on the part of the brain that controls how we translate stimulus and how we relate one thing to another. In other words, the world is translated from the energy we take in through our sense and a representation of the world is constructed  in our minds from that data. So they just fuck with that brain structure that controls what we imagine we are sensing.

I can ride through town while tripping, and it's the same town, same reality, but just the slightest bit shifted. And that causes me to react to the change, but if I got stuck in that state, I could function just fine after I got used to it, and it would seem perfectly normal.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Sub-Easy] * 1
    #27344217 - 06/11/21 11:36 AM (7 days, 2 hours ago)

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Just a thought but it could be just like any other drug, (but not really.... don't tell anyone). Cocaine stimulates a part of the brain that controls logical thinking maybe, idk. Alcohol depresses parts. DXM stops different parts of the brain from communicating in much the same way dreaming does. Maybe mushrooms work on the part of the brain that controls how we translate stimulus and how we relate one thing to another. In other words, the world is translated from the energy we take in through our sense and a representation of the world is constructed  in our minds from that data. So they just fuck with that brain structure that controls what we imagine we are sensing.

I can ride through town while tripping, and it's the same town, same reality, but just the slightest bit shifted. And that causes me to react to the change, but if I got stuck in that state, I could function just fine after I got used to it, and it would seem perfectly normal.




I think that's an oversimplified version of the molecular activity of psilocybin and other chemicals present in mushrooms.

Psilocin binds to 5HT2A receptors in the brain (normally occupied by the neurotransmitter serotonin).

Here the psilocybin/psilocin has significant effects on our perception. One article, for example, describes the role serotonin plays in memory and cognition
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2015.00225/full

Here's the link to a number of scholarly articles on 5HT2A (including some on the interaction between psilocin/psilocybin and 5HT2A).

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=effects+of+5ht2a+receptors&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&as_vis=1&q=effects+of+5ht2a+receptors+psilocybin&btnG=

I've read through a handful of them and it's incredible the vast number of processes that are mediated by these receptors (which would make sense as serotonin is our most important inherently available neurotransmitter).

It seems that 5HT2A plays a major role in everything from memory to the magnitude of manifestation of psychotic episodes/experiences. It influences our temporo-spatial awareness (hence why mushrooms play with our sense of time and space) and plays a major role in our visual processing.

So psilocybin/psilocin are compounds that are just as (if not possibly more important) than serotonin. And this has major implications because it would seem that the behavior of serotonin on 5HT2A receptors plays THE major role in our experience of both "being human" and our experience(s) of "divinity".

So the use of mushrooms has a bigger and more complex role than just a "drug" that "controls how we translate stimulus and how we relate one thing to another". Those things are inevitably part of the mushroom experience but it seems to go even higher. It seems to be generative as well, influencing how we generate experience and how our neurochemical system organizes into a whole different hierarchy of being.

Terrence Mckenna discussed this relationship between psilocybin and serotonin (calling psilocybin/psilocin the serotonin of nature). And being completely speculative here but what if serotonin mediates the basic ego based functions of our reality while psilocybin/psilocin mediate access to a higher reality where we can become aware of the true nature of the universe?


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27344464 - 06/11/21 03:44 PM (6 days, 22 hours ago)

Mushrooms open a magic door.  :hereyougo:


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27344543 - 06/11/21 05:09 PM (6 days, 21 hours ago)

I'm working on it but, different ways of thinking have hit walls so far. To understand it's effect on the "mind" rather than the"brain" would require us to know what the mind is, and so far, no one has figured that out. But to explain it's effect on the brain might be possible. Smaller bites guys. I've considered things from miror reality, or a place were light can't travel because time and space don't exist there, other forces (possibly many unknown forces) influencing physics, god, our self creation, black holes, antimatter, separation of data from mass, Tru solid forms without empty spaces, new laws of percentage, set outcomes, and all possible outcomes, but let's keep it simple this time and say it's just tweaking our nervous system without figuring out how our nervous system plays into "mind" or life/reality/consciousness/soal.


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Re: What exactly is a trip on shrooms? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #27344556 - 06/11/21 05:22 PM (6 days, 21 hours ago)

Most all of my pathways end in walls. things like, can things touch, what differentiated one thing from another, why do cells split and defferentiate, what's the motivation,


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