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Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon?
    #27342291 - 06/10/21 12:53 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Like the title says. The grain were prepped on the dry side but now the bottom of the jars have a bit of liquid pooling, like the grain was prepped too wet. I must have poured somewhere between a teaspoon and a tablespoon (in retrospect that sounds like a lot).

How much do you usually pour? Will the liquid get absorbed into the grain? :mushroom2:


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Benson]
    #27342303 - 06/10/21 01:04 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Just shake or roll the jars a few times tonight and maybe once in the morning. That’s what I have to do when I use LI and usually the grains absorb the extra water just fine.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large] * 1
    #27342343 - 06/10/21 01:50 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

I'd advise against shaking freshly poured LC. I've done many tests and have found shaking LC to stun it and cause it to take forever (sometimes literally) to come back to life. A GENTLE roll can distribute the moisture though. Really, it just depends on how you prepped your grain. If it was prepped dry enough (a good idea for LC), a puddle at the bottom will just turn into a mass of myc.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #27342350 - 06/10/21 01:59 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

For fun I decided to use up an old bottle of APE LC that had been sitting. It was a 500 ml media bottle 3/4 full and I used it all on 4 jars lol. So yeah, somewhere around a half a cup of liquid in each one. Water came halfway up the jars and within a week they soaked it up and went from nothing to fully colonized in a day :eek: Also were some of my best looking jars ever lol, tub is colonizing as we speak.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27342441 - 06/10/21 04:52 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Yeh lc water is that sweet sweet mycelium juice we all want.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27342519 - 06/10/21 07:37 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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For fun I decided to use up an old bottle of APE LC that had been sitting. It was a 500 ml media bottle 3/4 full and I used it all on 4 jars lol. So yeah, somewhere around a half a cup of liquid in each one. Water came halfway up the jars and within a week they soaked it up and went from nothing to fully colonized in a day :eek: Also were some of my best looking jars ever lol, tub is colonizing as we speak.




have you had prepped the grain particularly dry for this or just regular, any grain agitation involved and what grain are you using?
Wanna try this as well.


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...shaking LC to stun it and cause it to take forever (sometimes literally) to come back to life...




so true


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27342559 - 06/10/21 08:30 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

I once had LC do completely nothing. Jars set for a week and looked as clean as day one. I finally ended up adding new agar and everything went normal with zero contamination after that.

Could this have been because I shook the f out of them for the same reason as op?


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: TheBoJim]
    #27342564 - 06/10/21 08:36 AM (4 months, 8 days ago)

Could be, best to let lc take off before shaking.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27342680 - 06/10/21 10:22 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

Well these replies make me feel better lol. Except I definitely shook the jars in a panic, so we'll see. Fingers crossed, thanks yall :rockon:


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Benson]
    #27342761 - 06/10/21 11:21 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

Verum, have you really noticed a LC noc’d jar die from immediate shaking before? I haven’t messed around with LC in a long time but had a lot of trouble with it, and was not impressed with its speed when I was doing it, but I did shake after inoculation. Maybe that was the problem…


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27343011 - 06/10/21 02:07 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

I find it slow as fuck to do anything at all regardless. But once it kicks in it's super fast. It really only saves a couple days because of the lag time, if shit leaped immediately after pouring it would be a true game changer.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27343051 - 06/10/21 02:34 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

If I say I've tested something and found something, I mean it. Generally I'll test things out numerous times before making a post about it. I've done everything from violently shake to no shake. Only the gentlest of rolls will help distribute the myc without damaging it. I have theories on why this is and how it works. I suspect that an lc that was swirled with a marble will respond better to a shake than an LC that was on constant stir. I haver not tested that out though. I have a bag sitting right now that's way behind the others that were nocced at the same time with the same LC. It was semi gently rolled and there others were left to sit.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27343399 - 06/10/21 07:08 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

My response was one more of surprise than it was of doubt. But thanks for the clarification.

Do you think a constant stirred LC would respond worse to a shake due to it being comprised of smaller colonies, compared to one that wasn’t agitated that had clumpy large colonies?

Thanks for the info y’all! I’ve been wanting to get back into LC and this is all great stuff to know!


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27343465 - 06/10/21 08:19 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

Given how well it works to do nothing, Id say just be safe and do nothing. It seems clear that even if it isn't detrimental to shake that at the very least it doesn't help.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27343511 - 06/10/21 08:57 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

Well that sounds good to me. 10/10 times I’d rather do nothing than something so I’m on board!

You ever mess around with LI? I’m wondering if the same ideas apply. Next batch I do I’ll have to refrain from shaking and see how it goes


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27343635 - 06/10/21 10:42 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

ever tried semi solid lc? It works well and does reduce the puddling at the bottom of the jar. Man I can't help it having a mega urge to shake
them jars up when seeing the liquid pooling but I have learned to resist, took me a while though.

semi solid lc
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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27343653 - 06/10/21 11:11 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

I'm having a hard time believing shaking does anything to freshly poured LC - why would it? But some of you heavy hitters are swearing by it so I'm guessing it must be true. If it is, I need to get prep another run of LC pronto :lol:


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Benson]
    #27343674 - 06/10/21 11:30 PM (4 months, 7 days ago)

I guess it's the naked myc getting smashed up by the grain like in a ball mill.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27343694 - 06/11/21 12:01 AM (4 months, 7 days ago)

I’ve been wanting to try out semi solid lc for some time now! It seems like the way to go!

It’s probably not necessary at all but has anyone noticed a problem arising from shaking a freshly inoculated jar of semi solid lc?


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27344265 - 06/11/21 12:41 PM (4 months, 6 days ago)

My theory is that myc is very very shy and we don't realize it because we beat the fuck out of grain jars and it bounces back in a few days. I believe this is because there is a lot of myc tucked inside the grain that doesn't suffer damage. We all know that the visible myc on the outside of the grain seems to disappear. So, yes, I believe an LC on constant stir is composed of thousands of tiny tiny pieces that are very vulnerable. Where as an LC that was just swirled from time to time has big globs of myc which would act much like a grain and only the outer elements of the globs would suffer from a beating.

I'm not trying to right a book on it yet because I haven't done enough testing. I do know for a fact though that I've tested gentle roll vs semi gentle roll vs incredibly gentle roll vs full blown shake vs no shake. Like clock work, the more I beat the myc up the longer it takes to bounce back. Vigorously shaken jars and bags have either never grown or taken weeks to show any growth. This has all been done with LC that's been on constant stir. I have some LCs with marbles in them that are about ready and quite globular so I'll test it out with them.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27344983 - 06/12/21 01:02 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

That is so interesting cause it can be easy to be amazed at how resilient mycelium can be, but it’s resiliency is most likely due to its collective strength, while smaller, stretched out colonies, such as in LC can reveal how weak it actually is. Pretty fascinating. You ever test this theory on grains? It would obviously be a lot harder to beat up mycelium contained in grains, but it would be an interesting experiment to test recovery of a fully colonized bag based on how rough the myc was broken up. Like if a gentle massage lead to a quick recovery compared to a full on violent shake. I just inoculated a decent amount of bags today so maybe I’ll do some comparisons.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27345167 - 06/12/21 07:56 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

It might be that the more stretched out colonies haven't reached a quorum so they wouldn't have formed a protective biofilm yet.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: shroomies4me]
    #27354491 - 06/19/21 12:03 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Update: came back to my lab after like 8 days away to see this:



Shook the fuck out of my four LC jars after pouring and they are jamming! Both jars innoced at the same time. LC is dope :mushroom2:


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Benson]
    #27354890 - 06/19/21 09:31 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Yup. Liquids kick ass if you don't poop in them. Very nice.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27452007 - 09/01/21 11:26 AM (1 month, 17 days ago)

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You ever mess around with LI? I’m wondering if the same ideas apply. Next batch I do I’ll have to refrain from shaking and see how it goes



I know this post is a couple months old, but since I primarily work with LI, I'm curious as to the ideas in this thread applying to that medium as well. I'm always worried I'm adding too much liquid to my grain.

The very nature of LI results in mycelium that has been violently shredded. So I'm curious how that correlates to long recovery times.


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Re: Just poured LC for the first time, now the bottom of my jars are all wet. Am I fucked upon? [Re: Lostkeys]
    #27452180 - 09/01/21 02:01 PM (1 month, 17 days ago)

add some agar to your li if your worried about moisture. 0.5g-1g agar to 500ml water.


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