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Why no fruit or pins???
    #27340703 - 06/08/21 09:43 PM (4 days, 52 minutes ago)

I started this tub on the 24th everything seems healthy and good I introduced fae and light the past couple weeks after noticing 100% colonization yet still nothing... any ideas???



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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Daddy4487]
    #27340716 - 06/08/21 09:54 PM (4 days, 41 minutes ago)

Myc looks stressed, uncolonized patches and the off color all make me think bacterial. I also feel like I see a green hue to some spots, could be mold, could just be ur camera.
I have newb eyes thou, so don't lose hope on my account but it looks pretty rough to me man


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27340728 - 06/08/21 10:01 PM (4 days, 35 minutes ago)

:whathesaid:
What kinda sub are you using? Any smells or hues of green anywhere at all?


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: 4d6Mycology]
    #27340743 - 06/08/21 10:11 PM (4 days, 24 minutes ago)

Bacteria for sure


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: 4d6Mycology]
    #27340759 - 06/08/21 10:24 PM (4 days, 11 minutes ago)

Why did you rip out patches of your sub?

The yellow/orange discoloration is indicative of bacterial contamination.
Contamination can do all kinds of odd shit to your tub, like stall it out. Other times shit will work out swimmingly.

Looks like you been hosing the sub down pretty frequently as well.
As the mycelium pokes thru the surface during colonization it starts forming its own little droplets...unless you fuck up the microclimate in there. Or the subs been thru some shit, like a flush. Then you wud mist way above your tub to let the droplets fall gently onto the surface so as not to break the water tension of each little drop. This way they stay droplets.

Once the suface is damaged like it is here, its ability to produce its own droplets all but vanishes, and its ability to keep a droplet in droplet form diminishes significantly.

Takes practice, budro. You'll get it.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27340800 - 06/08/21 10:51 PM (3 days, 23 hours ago)

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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Iambrownbear]
    #27340815 - 06/08/21 11:00 PM (3 days, 23 hours ago)

I’ve used coco choir and I didn’t rip any patches out the discoloration you see is from the air holes and yes admittedly I’ve been misting quite heavily only due to the dry surface conditions I’ve been noticing.... anything I could do to save her??


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Daddy4487]
    #27340852 - 06/09/21 12:15 AM (3 days, 22 hours ago)

2nd pic at the bottom is what appears to have been ripped out. If you had ripped something out, that something wud give us further info on what to do. That is why i asked.

At this point i wud stuff the tubs portholes and affix the lid with little gap (justa a little fae), stop misting, continue with light, and leave it alone. Im not sure it will improve, but that'd be my attempt at salvage.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27340923 - 06/09/21 01:26 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago)




If this is what you’re referring to I saw a little bit of trich.... so I took some bleach/h202 on a qtip to it gently no digging but yes if that’s what ur referring to that’s what happened


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Daddy4487] * 1
    #27340925 - 06/09/21 01:29 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago)

that tubs fucked. toss it. start over. Good luck next time.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Blazer420]
    #27340960 - 06/09/21 02:12 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago)

Hmm... first pic hole is open, why is it?
The whole surface structure looks matted from overmisting and drying out.
That yellowing looks like mycelium starting to die slowly.
Try what Feasoghorm said, but honestly i don`t see it producing.
Maybe shoot up some shoeboxes next time to get the proper feeling for conditions.
Good luck mate :wink:

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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Blazer420]
    #27340971 - 06/09/21 02:28 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago)

Ok. That tells me that the contamination goes back to your spawn.

Trich b4 the first flush means contaminated spawn cuz of two reasons:
First is that a fully colonized (with cube myc) food source is good at preventing contamination. If it's fully colonized, there isnt any real estate for contamination to set up shop.
Second is that coir is super resistant to shit growing on it without a food source cuz, as far as i knw, it's nutrient deficient.
So the contamination was in your spawn along with the cube myc, cuz to "contract" it after the myc has fully colonized the only food source is relatively unlikely.

That being said, trich is the god damn kiss of death. Jst cuz you see it in one spot doesn't mean it isn't hiding elsewhere, cuz it most likely is.

General consensus is that in the unlikely event that it does fruit, it won't yield shit. Standard protocol is to toss the sub and wash the tub with soap and water.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Feasoghorm]
    #27343714 - 06/11/21 12:36 AM (1 day, 21 hours ago)

Ok guys quick update.. I tossed the tub... not sure where things took a turn though everything looked textbook up to complete colonization. Is it possible I could have contaminated it by over misting?  I noticed someone said it appears to be over-misted and dried out.. the reason I misted so heavily is due to the dry surface conditions I noticed one morning, I gave it a heavy misting and then when checking before going to bed, noticed it was just as dry as in the AM. Didn’t know why it was drying out so quick but I tried keeping it hydrated which inevitably may have been my ultimate downfall.... any theories or tips?? I’ve been in a rut lately and haven’t had a good fruit in a LONGG time and I can’t seem to pull myself out


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Daddy4487]
    #27343729 - 06/11/21 12:56 AM (1 day, 21 hours ago)

You could leave hydrated coir in a bucket for weeks without it contaminating. Coir doesn't provide any real nutrition to support the growth of mold. That leaves the only culprit for mold to be your spawn. It doesn't necessarily mean that your spawn was contaminated with trich. It could have had a bacterial infection. Bacteria will lead to slow recovery of mycelium on grain which gives mold's like trich the opportunity to get a foothold on  the exposed grain.

As far as your fruiting conditions, your tub has at least one big hole in it without any polyfil or micropore tape. Which is most likely why it was drying out. The cycle of drying out and being hosed down caused the mycelium to mat and when that happens you are pretty much fucked. Mushrooms need proper surface conditions to fruit.

I would suggest looking up Pastywhytes ez dialed mono tubs. It is pretty simple and as long as your local rh isn't super low, you shouldn't have to mist at all.

The biggest issue with new growers when they get to the fruiting stage is they cannot just let it do its thing. Everytime you open the lid on the tub you fuck up the environment inside the tub. Its best to just leave the tub untouched for a couple of weeks after spawning and let it do its thing. You can check on it to make sure you aren't growing mold but you can inspect that from the side of the tub rather than lifting the lid.

I hope this helps. Good luck on your next attempt. Keep us updated. We want to help you out and see you succeed.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Iambrownbear]
    #27343744 - 06/11/21 01:15 AM (1 day, 21 hours ago)

More often than not contamination is caused by dirty spawn. You didnt contaminate your tub by misting it. If you over misted and allowed water to pool, you could of increased your chances of bacteria, eventually weakening the mycelium and opening the door for trich to get a foot in but id put my money in it being your spawn.
We all lost tubs, mate. Especially starting out. You got this.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Goatrider]
    #27343745 - 06/11/21 01:16 AM (1 day, 21 hours ago)

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Maybe shoot up some shoeboxes next time to get the proper feeling for conditions.


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My first go at a monotub triched out and I lost a lot of spawn. I havent tried another one since, but that is about to change now that ive got a better hang of things. After losing that mono I moved on to only doing shoeboxes for 2 rounds and had a much nicer time all around (as you can see in my signature teehee). Now I feel more confident in putting more eggs in one basket. You can also do a bit of a variety with phenotypes and have lots of cloning material to work with and hone in some nicer genetics for your bigger tubs.


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Re: Why no fruit or pins??? [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27344278 - 06/11/21 12:54 PM (1 day, 9 hours ago)

Thanks guys I’ve got a couple other tubs going atm.. and brownbear it’s funny you say that I literally wrote that down in my journal, I think I’m being a little too anal and nit picking, and instead of going for perfection. When I remembered it’s really just a waiting game, like the old saying goes, don’t fix something if it’s not broke! I’ll post an update shortly here’s my little shoe box of that jackfrost



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